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Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:40 pm to ALcapone
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We might also see the SEC drop the division format like they did in basketball, in order to assure that the best two teams are in the SECCG.
That would be a bad idea with the playoff system on the horizon. For ex. last year Bama vs LSU in Atl will eliminate Bama if they are beaten again. If they are sitting at home, then they are in the playoffs along with LSU.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:42 pm to bona fide
I think he meant, drop the CG as well. Decide a single champion based on overall record. That would eliminate a "division" champion or non-division champion and qualify any other SEC team for consideration.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:43 pm to bona fide
bona fide 
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quote:.It worked out great last year..
It is my opinion that the BCS system is the absolute perfect system for CFB
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:44 pm to Alahunter
That would be a different story then. Although I don't see any way they can drop the SECCG with 14 teams in the conference, plus the money thing with TV contract.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:45 pm to Alahunter
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The Big 12 doesn't anymore. Bob Stoops has gone on record saying he didn't ever want one again. How is it fair their champion could qualify over 5 conferences that have an extra conference championship game?
I must start sounding redundant now, but again that is why I think all conferences should be required to have a conference championship.
I personally think it would make for great tv. Two teams coming to the end of the season, battling it out for a chance to get in the playoffs. Of course, it isn't automatic that your team will make it to the playoffs since there are more than 4 conferences, but knowing that their is that one final step called the conference championship seems pretty epic to me.
Winning your conference and qualifying for the playoffs all in one night.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:48 pm to ALcapone
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IMO, the SEC is going to continue its dominance. It doesnt matter how many teams they allow us to have in the playoff. SEC is still going to skull frick all the weak arse teams in every other conference and there aint a damn thing Delaney can do about it.
"Not so fast my friend", The more game played the higher the chance for unpredictable outcomes to surface. Let say hypothetically, LSU v. USC and Bama v. WVU in the 4 team playoff. USc has 1 loss WVU has 2, and lets take the scenario from this past season, LSU 0 losses and Bama 1.
LSU v. USC and Bama v. WVU. On paper our Defenses should be able to reach down their throats and pull their pancreas out. What if WVU puts up similar numbers against bama that they did against LSU? also lets use the same analogy for the LSU v. USC game. At this point any number of arguments can be made, 1 or both SCE teams would('nt) lose.
Keep the current format, 2 teams guaranteed High profile bowl games, $$$ for SEC, maybe 2 SEC teams for NC. SEC dominance assured.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:50 pm to Indfanfromcol
the problem is they aren't required. And one conference is wanting to automatically have a team in while not having that extra game and playing weaker competition.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:51 pm to bona fide
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That would be a bad idea with the playoff system on the horizon. For ex. last year Bama vs LSU in Atl will eliminate Bama if they are beaten again. If they are sitting at home, then they are in the playoffs along with LSU.
i was under the impression that last year bama would have been left out anyways. Im not saying they will do away with the SECCG. but if they do away with the divisions then that would have put Bama v. LSU in the SECCG (i think everyone can agree those were the two best teams) If bama lost again then they didnt belong in the BCSCG, even though the second best team in the SEC could still skullfrick every other team. I just think if they are gonna only put the conference champions in the playoff, then the SEC should do away with divisions to ensure that the two best teams are in the conference championship. nobody would've been happy if UGA had pulled the upset in the SECCG and then shite the bed in the playoff.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:55 pm to Alahunter
Bob Stoops = Douche. OFC he doesn't want a CCG his chances to get to the big show are better. But his opinion aside it is a better format for the Big 12 to have, now they can say we have a better overall champ than the SEC. We, the big who gives a f*ck, plays almost all of their conference members.
Pretty strong case as far as overall champ of that conference.
Pretty strong case as far as overall champ of that conference.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:55 pm to Alahunter
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the problem is they aren't required. And one conference is wanting to automatically have a team in while not having that extra game and playing weaker competition.
Again, I think it should, but until that time it is done the system should not be in place. Conference Championships already mean so little, they should go ahead and be done with or force every conference to have one.
The thing about winning your conference automatically qualifying you for the playoffs, doesn't mean you get in. They would still have to break down the teams and their rankings for the poles.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:57 pm to ALcapone
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i was under the impression that last year bama would have been left out anyways.
Non division winner not being eligible is not really a possible requirement. It was just an off the wall jab at the SEC and Bama. Under the current proposal Bama would have been in last year.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:00 pm to 10888bge
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OFC he doesn't want a CCG his chances to get to the big show are better. But his opinion aside it is a better format for the Big 12 to have, now they can say we have a better overall champ than the SEC. We, the big who gives a f*ck, plays almost all of their conference members.
Pretty strong case as far as overall champ of that conference.
It is exactly what they are doing, and I don't blame them. I hope the Big12 sticks to their guns, giving the finger to the big conferences.
Also believe the round robin regular season is the best way to crown a champ, so can't really force them to change that.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:03 pm to ALcapone
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I just think if they are gonna only put the conference champions in the playoff, then the SEC should do away with divisions to ensure that the two best teams are in the conference championship. nobody would've been happy if UGA had pulled the upset in the SECCG and then shite the bed in the playoff.
But that is what makes the regular season so important. I mean, essential every regular season game is a playoff game as it is. That would just make the alabama vs lsu game even more intense than it already is. Having no division means that you can play all the crappy teams and not one of the hard teams and make it to the SEC championship game.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:03 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Again, I think it should, but until that time it is done the system should not be in place. Conference Championships already mean so little, they should go ahead and be done with or force every conference to have one.
The thing about winning your conference automatically qualifying you for the playoffs, doesn't mean you get in. They would still have to break down the teams and their rankings for the poles.
If they require conference champions, I think the SEC should do away with divisions, the SECCG, and allow co-champions or the best record. In that scenario, LSU would have still won last year, but in years like Alabama and Florida in 2008 or 2009, both would have to be admitted.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:04 pm to Indfanfromcol
I don't understand this new arguement that conference championships would be made meaningless if being conf champ wasn't a requirement for being in the playoffs. Conference champion hasn't been a requirement for being national champ the last 100 years; does that mean that conference championships have been meaningless the last 100 years? Of course conference championships will still be important just like they always have been.
LSU fans, if you truly believe that conference championships are now worthless, then send your SEC champ trophy to T-town. We'll take good care of it
LSU fans, if you truly believe that conference championships are now worthless, then send your SEC champ trophy to T-town. We'll take good care of it
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:19 pm to sarc
More often than not though, the national championship has been between two teams that have won the conference. You are talking about the 4 best teams, which could hold up to three sec teams. I know this is unlikely, but do two teams have have already lost deserve a second chance in the playoffs?
Yes, we all realize bama did last year. But two teams from the same conference both deserving to play for the title in football is about as rare as a unicorn molesting a care bear.
In the system where it is the 4 highest ranked teams, winning your conference would no longer matter. As long as you lost close, your good.
Yes, we all realize bama did last year. But two teams from the same conference both deserving to play for the title in football is about as rare as a unicorn molesting a care bear.
In the system where it is the 4 highest ranked teams, winning your conference would no longer matter. As long as you lost close, your good.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:32 pm to Indfanfromcol
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More often than not though, the national championship has been between two teams that have won the conference. You are talking about the 4 best teams, which could hold up to three sec teams. I know this is unlikely, but do two teams have have already lost deserve a second chance in the playoffs?
There will almost never be a situation where there are 4 undefeated teams at the end of the season so there will almost always be teams in the playoffs getting a 2nd chance. That goes for conference champs and non-champs alike.
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Yes, we all realize bama did last year. But two teams from the same conference both deserving to play for the title in football is about as rare as a unicorn molesting a care bear.
In the system where it is the 4 highest ranked teams, winning your conference would no longer matter. As long as you lost close, your good.
I just don't see how it's that different from the past. I really don't think a non-conference champion will win the nationaly championship very often, but if they do, so what? Every year there have been multiple conference champions who didn't win the national championship. It still meant something. It will be the same going forward.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:40 pm to Indfanfromcol
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But two teams from the same conference both deserving to play for the title in football is about as rare as a unicorn molesting a care bear
Then we shouldn't be overhauling the system over a very rare occurence. The current system has been fine.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:42 pm to brucevilanch
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Message Posted by brucevilanch 21-0
Ummm. Ok. Beginning to think 0, 1, & 2 are the only numbers some Tide fans know The point is still true. The roles could have easily been reversed. Bama could have won the season game and LSU with the rematch revenge factor could have won the next game. And if there was a third one who knows what happens. And a fourth.....point is not whether the team that doesn't win the division is good or not, but they shouldn't represent their conf in the BCS if they didn't even win their division....if the regular season is to matter.
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