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re: Daniel "Legatron" Carlson now #2 all-time in NCAA for FGs
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:24 pm to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:24 pm to Tuscaloosa
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2. Auburn has been pathetic in the red zone over the last 4 seasons.
SEC rank in TD % in red zone the past 4 seasons for Auburn:
2017: 5th
2016: 11th
2015: 4th
2014: 4th
Carlson FGs made by year:
2017: 19 - through 10 games
2016: 28
2015: 23
2014: 18
So yes, he may have befitted in 2016, as Auburn was awful in the red zone and it was also his highest output in any season. However, they weren't bad in any other season in the red zone. Kid is a monster.
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:53 pm to lsufball19
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So yes, he may have befitted in 2016, as Auburn was awful in the red zone and it was also his highest output in any season. However, they weren't bad in any other season in the red zone. Kid is a monster.
56 of his 88 career field goals have come from inside the 22 yard line.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 11:01 pm to DoubleBubbleTrouble
I thought it was funny they thought 54 yards was long for him
Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:53 am to Tuscaloosa
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56 of his 88 career field goals have come from inside the 22 yard line.
and? Have you run the numbers on what the average is around the country or are you just pulling stats and hoping they mean something? I've already provided the numbers on Auburn's red zone success while Carlson has been on the team. It was in the top half of the conference every year but one.
And your stat doesn't even mean what you think it does. So he's made 32 FGs from 40+ in his career? And you're saying that's not all that impressive for a college kicker? Really?
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 11:07 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:04 am to DoubleBubbleTrouble
Who is in front of him?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:05 am to lsufball19
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and? Have you run the numbers on what the average is around the country or are you just pulling stats and hoping they mean something? I've already provided the numbers on Auburn's red zone success while Carlson has been on the team. It was in the top half of the conference every year but one.
And even your stat doesn't even mean what you think it does. So he's made 32 FGs from 40+ in his career? And you're saying that's not all that impressive for a college kicker? Really?
For comparison Bama kicked 69 field goals from 39 yards or less, Auburn - 61, despite trying for two more overall field goals
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:25 am to lsufball19
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And your stat doesn't even mean what you think it does. So he's made 32 FGs from 40+ in his career? And you're saying that's not all that impressive for a college kicker? Really?
Yes, that’s clearly what I’m saying, as evidenced by my first post in this thread:
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1. Legatron is a fantastic, clutch kicker.
I was simply pointing out that Auburn moves the ball well between the 20s, but has struggled to put the ball in the endzone. I don’t know any Auburn fans here who would disagree with that assessment. In 2016, Auburn finished ranked 97th nationally in Redzone touchdowns.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:28 am to DoubleBubbleTrouble
The uprights could have been 5 feet wide and he still would have hit all his field goals on saturday. What a great kicker
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:30 am to Tuscaloosa
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I was simply pointing out that Auburn moves the ball well between the 20s, but has struggled to put the ball in the endzone.
Well, you were simply wrong, as evidenced by the stats posted. You made an affirmation without knowing the numbers and then doubled down after you were shown to be mistaken.
And that's not what you were "simply trying to do."
You were simply trying to downplay his accomplishments because he plays for Auburn and not Alabama
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In 2016, Auburn finished ranked 97th nationally in Redzone touchdowns.
Correct, and in the other 3 years he's been their kicker, they haven't been "pathetic" in the red zone.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 11:31 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:52 am to lsufball19
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Well, you were simply wrong
2014 - 40th
2015 - 52nd
2016 - 96th
2017 - 43rd
Not sure what your end game is here. Legatron has benefited from Auburn struggling to score touchdowns. This is one of the reasons Auburn fans were collectively jumping off the Gus bus at the end of last year and midway through this year. It is what it is, and certainly isn’t a knock on Daniel Carlson.
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And that's not what you were "simply trying to do." You were simply trying to downplay his accomplishments because he plays for Auburn and not Alabama
Why the hell would I lead with talking about him being a fantastic, clutch kicker if that were the case?
frick off.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:55 am to Tuscaloosa
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Not sure what your end game is here.
That you said Auburn has been pathetic in the red zone the last 4 years. That is an objectively incorrect statement
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Legatron has benefited from Auburn struggling to score touchdowns.
Every time a kicker attempts a field goal it is because the offense couldn't score a touchdown
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Why the hell would I lead with talking about him being a fantastic, clutch kicker if that were the case?
Why the hell would you qualify the statement with "but his numbers are really inflated because...."? if that's not what you were trying to do?
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 11:55 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:00 pm to lsufball19
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That you said Auburn has been pathetic in the red zone the last 4 years. That is an objectively incorrect statement
Okay, they were pathetic in 2016, and have struggled fairly consistently over the last 4 years. Is that better? Will you stop melting if I re-word it?
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Every time a kicker attempts a field goal it is because the offense couldn't score a touchdown
We’re talking about the redzone only. And they had gotten worse every single year in this area, until this year.
Percentage of redzone conversions resulting in field goals:
2014 - 6th (SEC), 22.41%
2015 - 4th, 27.45%
2016 - 2nd, 29.09%
2017 - 4th, 27.27%
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Why the hell would you qualify the statement with "but his numbers are really inflated because..
Because they’re inflated. It doesn’t make him any less of a kicker. It simply means he’s been given and converted more opportunities than he would have otherwise had.
Melt some more.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:25 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Okay, they were pathetic in 2016, and have struggled fairly consistently over the last 4 years. Is that better? Will you stop melting if I re-word it?
finishing in the top third of FBS football isn't even struggling fairly consistently. It's above average
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We’re talking about the redzone only.
You were talking about inside the 22 yard line. The redzone is inside the 20.
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We’re talking about the redzone only. And they had gotten worse every single year in this area, until this year.
Percentage of redzone conversions resulting in field goals:
2014 - 6th (SEC), 22.41%
2015 - 4th, 27.45%
2016 - 2nd, 29.09%
2017 - 4th, 27.27%
I'm not sure you know how to read stats even when you look them up
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Because they’re inflated.
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Melt some more.
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This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:29 pm to BAMAneck
Are you jealous because Bama does not have a kicker?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:35 pm to lsufball19
I have explained the 22 yard line measurement more than once in this thread. FG stats by distance break down by yardage, not yardline (0-19, 20-29, 30-39, etc.). The 22 yardline = 39 yards and in, and the closest distance measurement to the redzone. Not sure why some of you had such a hard time grasping that.
They had gotten worse every single year until this year, and even this year are finishing in the top quarter of the conference in percentage of RZ trips ending in a field goal.
Again, take it up with Auburn fans, or go read their board. That’s why none of them are jumping in to defend what you’re saying. One of their biggest complains about Gus has been his inability to score touchdowns in the redzone. There’s even one in this very thread who calls him “Field goal Gus.” It is what it is.
The stat is for percentage of drives in the redzone that end in a field goal. The higher that percentage, the worse you’re doing scoring touchdowns. It’s not hard to understand. If we go back to Gus’s first year, he had gotten worse for four consecutive years. This year is the first they’ve seen improvement from one year to the next, although this year is still as bad or worse than his first 3 years.
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finishing in the top third of FBS football isn't even struggling fairly consistently. It's above average
They had gotten worse every single year until this year, and even this year are finishing in the top quarter of the conference in percentage of RZ trips ending in a field goal.
Again, take it up with Auburn fans, or go read their board. That’s why none of them are jumping in to defend what you’re saying. One of their biggest complains about Gus has been his inability to score touchdowns in the redzone. There’s even one in this very thread who calls him “Field goal Gus.” It is what it is.
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I'm not sure you know how to read stats even when you look them up
The stat is for percentage of drives in the redzone that end in a field goal. The higher that percentage, the worse you’re doing scoring touchdowns. It’s not hard to understand. If we go back to Gus’s first year, he had gotten worse for four consecutive years. This year is the first they’ve seen improvement from one year to the next, although this year is still as bad or worse than his first 3 years.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:56 pm to Tuscaloosa
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That’s why none of them are jumping in to defend what you’re saying.
actually, they have
Your shtick is really old. You do not give compliments for other teams or players on other teams without qualifying them with how it's really not that impressive because... You never admit flaws or misstatements in your own arguments even when shown definitive proof that shows otherwise. You simply move the goal posts or deflect. I'd be more than happy to retract that statement if you pointed me to any post where you admitted you were wrong and didn't try to excuse it. Or where you gave a completely unadulterated compliment for a team or player that is not associated with Alabama that wasn't a troll.
Just move on dude, you're flat out wrong ITT. There was one year in Carlson's 4 years where Auburn was not in the upper 3rd in college football in converting TDs when in the redzone. It doesn't matter if Auburn fans called him "fg gus" (haven't heard that ever before) as if that's relevant. Additionally, not only has he made over 50 FGs inside the 22 yard line, he's also made 32 FGs from 40+ yards. Tell me how many kickers you think have done that the last 20 years.
You act as if Auburn never converts in the red zone and Carlson is merely kicking a bunch of chip shots to pad his stats.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 11/13/17 at 1:20 pm to lsufball19
You’re going to have to give me some time to respond to all that bullshite. Check back later. Got some shite to do right now.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 1:55 pm to Tuscaloosa
It's mostly rhetorical
Posted on 11/13/17 at 2:14 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Tuscaloosa
Why in the hell are you being such a contrarian about something that is universally agreed upon? Just your nature? He's the #1 kicker for NFL prospects and is expected to be drafted rounds 3-6. He's shattering the SEC scoring record, and will be top-10 all time NCAA. Pick your battles lest you look like an even bigger fool.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 11/13/17 at 3:24 pm to AUsteriskPride
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Why in the hell are you being such a contrarian about something that is universally agreed upon? Just your nature? He's the #1 kicker for NFL prospects and is expected to be drafted rounds 3-6. He's shattering the SEC scoring record, and will be top-10 all time NCAA. Pick your battles lest you look like an even bigger fool.
I have not been contrarian at all. I’ve lavished praise on Daniel. I’ve had to defend my statements from someone with an agenda, who either completely misunderstood most of what I said, or is intentionally being obtuse, and either way has made a shite ton of assumptions about the motive behind my posts, without any evidence at all to support himself.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 3:30 pm
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