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re: Could you tolerate college baseball switching back to wood bats?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:42 pm to UKat
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:42 pm to UKat
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I'd prefer wood bats
Baseball is America's game, and it is purist at its core.
Wooden bats are part of that tradition.
I'd love to hear them back in action in college.
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:45 pm to RD Dawg
quote:They also played on glorified rock quarries for fields, and that was if you were lucky enough to play for THE premier baseball program in the country.
Colleges did play baseball pre aluminum bats?
quote:Again, out of touch. Do you realize how many of these programs are forced to bus to every game? What's another few grand to fly out to every game, right?
Do you realize what these schools spend on travel budgets alone?
quote:Literally already gave you schools like Missouri State and Tennessee Tech as examples earlier. No one is chomping at the bit to spend more on baseball. Hell, it's a war just to get them to add a third coaching slot so teams don't have to use a fricking volunteer to help run the program.
Okay,give me an example of a D1 school that competes on a big time level that couldn't afford and extra 50k a year and I'm being generous with that figure.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:48 pm to RD Dawg
quote:Missouri State.
Which big time D1 baseball schools don't have their
own baseball facilities and have to share with Minor league teams?
The fact you keep saying "big time" proves how narrow-minded your view for this is. What happens to the other programs that aren't "big time"? These rules apply to everyone, not just P5 conferences.
Your whole stance amounts to, "Well the rich schools can afford it so frick everyone else."
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:01 pm to Drewbie
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They also played on glorified rock quarries for fields, and that was if you were lucky enough to play for THE premier baseball program in the country
So they did play? How did they afford wooden bats?
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Again, out of touch. Do you realize how many of these programs are forced to bus to every game
And? Are they taking yellow buses, sleeping in tents,eating worms?
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What's another few grand to fly out to every game, right?
When did I say or even imply they're taking planes?
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Literally already gave you schools like Missouri State and Tennessee Tech as examples earlier
What? Do you not realize Tennessee Tech owns that facility?
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OwnerTennessee Technological UniversityOperatorTennessee Technological University
Sounds damn nice but OF COURSE they
couldn't afford wooden bats but can "afford" one of the nicest facilities in the OVC?
How does that work?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:03 pm to Drewbie
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These rules apply to everyone, not just P5 conferences.
Once again,I said D1 and who says it has to apply to other schools?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:06 pm to RD Dawg
quote:By paying Cleetus 5 bucks to build a wood fence around the rocks and call it a baseball field.
So they did play? How did they afford wooden bats?
quote:Yes, some programs literally do have to rent charter buses.
And? Are they taking yellow buses, sleeping in tents,eating worms?
quote:It's your dumb logic of adding expenses since they can afford it anyway.
When did I say or even imply they're taking planes?
quote:Literally never said Tennessee Tech doesn't own their own facility. Beginning to think the main problem here is you don't read very well.
What? Do you not realize Tennessee Tech owns that facility?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:07 pm to RD Dawg
quote:So Dallas Baptist is just gonna use aluminum all year and all of a sudden have to play in Fayetteville with wooden bat rules come regionals?
Once again,I said D1 and who says it has to apply to other schools?
Just stop dude.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:14 pm to Drewbie
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Just stop dude
LMAO
So who owns the faculty where Tennessee Tech plays?
Didn't get that answer.Please clarify.
Another question:
Did Missouri State have their own baseball facility before they moved into the Hammond facility?
Both answers are pretty simple.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:16 pm to RD Dawg
quote:Again, I literally never said they didn't have their own facility. You just look dumb now.
So who owns the faculty where Tennessee Tech plays?
Go ahead and explain to me again how it'll be perfectly fine for the Stony Brooks of the world to play with different bats until postseason. Such a genius idea.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:18 pm to Drewbie
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paying Cleetus 5 bucks to build a wood fence around the rocks and call it a baseball field.
But they still could afford wooden bats?
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some programs literally do have to rent charter buses.
Where are kids sleeping on the road? What are they eating?
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your dumb logic of adding expenses since they can afford it anyway.
You are now spinning in circles
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Literally never said Tennessee Tech
Why the edit?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:22 pm to RD Dawg
quote:It's almost as if metal bats weren't widely circulated until the 70's.
But they still could afford wooden bats?
quote:How is using your logic in the exact same way as you spinning in circles? If it's stupid, it's because your logic is flawed.
You are now spinning in circles
You know you have no point and that's why you've regressed to these outlandish exaggerations while avoiding every counterpoint. While it's been fun watching your argument deteriorate, this is boring now.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:30 pm to Drewbie
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STILL have college baseball programs that don't even have their own stadiums and have to share with minor league teams in 2021
You named one in then put Tennessee Tech in the same category of lacking funding.
BTW You do know Missouri State played in their own facilty 2004,correct?
They made a obvious business decision to move into batter facility.
It was a very smart move and was an obvious upgrade of their old facility. No brainer
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Stony Brooks of the world to play with different bats until postseason. Such a genius idea.
What?
BTW.Are you somehow privy to these schools athletic funding? Alumni donations?Budgets?
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:33 pm to RD Dawg
quote:Yeah, totally wasn't to save money on upkeep at all.
BTW You do know Missouri State played in their own facilty 2004,correct?
They made a obvious business decision to move into batter facility.
The mental gymnastics are very impressive.
quote:It's not hard to see most schools don't want to put more money into baseball when almost every conference outside of the SEC pushes back on a move to add a third paid coach to baseball staffs.
BTW.Are you somehow privy to these schools athletic funding? Alumni donations?Budgets?
Literally all of this goes back to my original point of you being extremely out of touch. You view the whole situation from the perspective of an SEC team while completely disregarding the impact it would have on the Wichita States in this scenario.
quote:Used them as an example of a school that wouldn't be thrilled with added expenses of wooden bats, yes. Literally never said they don't own their own facility, which brings us back to the point of you not reading very carefully.
You named one in then put Tennessee Tech in the same category of lacking funding.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:53 pm to Drewbie
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Yeah, totally wasn't to save money on upkeep at all.
The mental gymnastics are very impressive
It was obviously a smart deal to move into a better facility and make the the program better along with drawing more fans.Almost any school would make the same deal and.You implied that they had no other options.
Why is this difficult to comprehend?
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It's not hard to see most schools don't want to put more money into baseball when almost every conference outside of the SEC pushes back on a move to add a third paid coach to baseball staffs.
But one of the 2 schools you mentioned had alumni who ponied up for one of the nicest facilities in the OVC. You aren't privy to their budgets or alumni donations so stop pretending that you are.
Baseball is obviously the most successful sport at Tenn Tech and you're trying to tell me they couldn't raise student fees by $10 annually or alums couldn't raise an additional 50k a year for the most successful sport on campus? BS
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You view the whole situation from the perspective of an SEC team while completely disregarding the impact it would have on the Wichita States in this scenario
LMAO! We have about 8 posts going back and forth about Missouri State and Tenn Tech but I'm "focusing" on the SEC? WTF?
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Used them as an example of a school that wouldn't be thrilled with added expenses of wooden bats, yes
Are you sure that's how you phrased the first time around?
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Literally never said they don't own their own facility, which brings us back to the point of you not reading very carefully.
And I clarified my interpretation and you mysteriously edited them out of a post and BTW you said "schools" plural have to share with a minor league facility.
What's the other one in D1?And I'm talking about one that had an existing facility and moved up to a better deal and facility.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:09 pm to RD Dawg
You're so busy playing semantics with the examples given you refuse to admit the point, which does hold water. Most universities are not of the mindset to pour more money into their baseball programs for anything and that's proven by how they vote when it comes to the sport, otherwise we'd have 3 coaches on staff by now.
Not to mention you're deluding yourself thinking I've edited anything out of any posts. I've only ever gone back to add additional comments to your responses. I've taken back nothing.
Not to mention you're deluding yourself thinking I've edited anything out of any posts. I've only ever gone back to add additional comments to your responses. I've taken back nothing.
quote:Now try to apply that logic to every non-P5 baseball program that isn't as successful as Tennessee Tech. Most schools would sooner cut the budget than add to it, but you refuse to acknowledge that and even go as far as to say a school switching from having their own dedicated facilities to sharing with another program entirely off-campus is an upgrade purely for the sake of the program and not a way to cut expenses.
Baseball is obviously the most successful sport at Tenn Tech and you're trying to tell me they couldn't raise student fees by $10 annually or alums couldn't raise an additional 50k a year for the most successful sport on campus? BS
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:24 pm to OBReb6
OP you think white ash grows on trees?
Yes that's a joke but white ash supply is already incredibly strained, especially since the spread of the Emerald ash borer infestation over the last few years. Fender Guitars announced last year they would no longer sell Ash guitars because it was so hard to get. Of course you could use lame arse maple but then you get a slower swing.
I would prefer wood but I don't think it's practical.
Yes that's a joke but white ash supply is already incredibly strained, especially since the spread of the Emerald ash borer infestation over the last few years. Fender Guitars announced last year they would no longer sell Ash guitars because it was so hard to get. Of course you could use lame arse maple but then you get a slower swing.
I would prefer wood but I don't think it's practical.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:34 pm to Drewbie
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It's not hard to see most schools don't want to put more money into baseball when almost every conference outside of the SEC pushes back on a move to add a third paid coach to baseball staffs
What bunch of horseshite.Here's what really happened
LINK
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but they were unable to convince the athletic directors that form the Division I council of the need for an extra assistant coach. The legislation, which was sponsored by the SEC, would have also allowed for another assistant coach in softball.
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The proposal has long been championed by the American Baseball Coaches Association, which began working on the campaign three years ago. The proposal has held wide support of head coaches, initially polling at more than 85 percent
The council of D1 athletic directors on the NCAA voted 32-25 against.
You said every conference except the SEC was against the proposal which isn't remotely true and if I had to guess the vast majority of AD's weren't associated with any of the big 5 conferences.
Stop pulling "facts" out yer arse to back up your already flawed arguments.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:38 pm to RD Dawg
quote:Literally from the link you posted.
What bunch of horseshite.Here's what really happened
quote:Yeah but they'll pay extra for wooden bats.
More than anything, the proposal seems to reiterate that, in the current climate, if proposed legislation doesn’t save schools money, benefit football or directly benefit what the NCAA refers to as the student-athlete experience, it stands little chance of passing.
Pretty much the entire sentiment you have refused to acknowledge this entire conversation. Schools don't want their baseball programs to be any more of an expense than they already are.
And yes, there was pushback from other conferences, the Big 12 was one.
Big 12 poised to vote "no" on third college baseball coach.
Oregon State also voted no.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:50 pm to RD Dawg
quote:No I didn't. Again, showing off your lack of attention.
You said every conference except the SEC was against the proposal
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almost every conference outside of the SEC
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:51 pm to Drewbie
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More than anything, the proposal seems to reiterate that, in the current climate, if proposed legislation doesn’t save schools money, benefit football or directly benefit what the NCAA refers to as the student-athlete experience, it stands little chance of passing.
What? It's nothing more than the writers opinion and has nothing to do with your stated facts.
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sentiment
So now it's about sentiment instead of facts?
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And yes, there was pushback from other conferences, the Big 12 was one.
Big 12 poised to vote "no" on third college baseball coach.
Oregon State also voted no.
You stated every other conference was opposed.
Where did you get this or did you just make it up?
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