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Posted on 10/12/23 at 1:49 pm to DawginSC
Posted on 10/12/23 at 1:49 pm to DawginSC
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My only issue with Israel is that when they get hit by a terrorist group, their response often ends up killing a whole boatload of civilians.
The best comparison I have is what Britain dealt with when the IRA was bombing things and there was effectively an IRA party in Ireland/Northern Ireland (Sinn Fein). That's kind of what Hamas is in Palestine, a political wing and a terrorist wing.
Britain didn't lob missiles at Irish cities in response to IRA bombings, and in the end they eliminated the IRA as a meaningful terrorist organization (they still exist but are largely inconsequential).
Israel's method of lobbing missiles at Palestinian occupied areas really doesn't work. The reality is they have to follow one of two paths to resolve the issue.
1) Use Britain's path with the IRA, where through diplomacy they get the Palestinian government to ally with them to go after Hamas and other terrorists through joint efforts to hunt down and punish those performing the actions without civilian deaths.
or
2) Take over all of the Palestinian areas and jail/execute/expel all those who refuse to follow Israeli laws.
Lobbing missiles that kill civilians just prolongs what is already happening. It makes those who's family and friends are being killed side with Hamas rather than Israel, and creates a new generation of anti-Israeli terrorism.
Tell me you're completely ignorant about the entire situation without telling me you're completely ignorant about the entire situation.
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 1:51 pm to lsupride87
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Oh shut the frick up. Terrorists hide behind civilians. Any civilians that die in Gaza is the fault of Hamas, not Israel
I pointed out two ways that could easily be used to avoid killing civilians.
Invade and execute/expel Hamas.
Use the route Britain used with IRA.
Israel isn't keen on adding 3 million muslim voters (assuming they'd kill/expel 2 million in the process of absorbing Palestine). They only have 10 million residents and 2 million are muslim already.
And the reality is the hatred from Hamas toward Israel is likely enough higher than the hatred of the IRA toward Britain that a diplomatic solution is too painful a process for Israel to stomach either.
But the end result will continue to be neverending bloodshed. Hamas will hide behind civilians and recruit new members based on them not liking being bombed by Israel and having their families become civilian casualties. And they'll keep committing attrocities against Israel because Israel's retalliation only helps them grow as a group.
I have no sympathy for Hamas, but you're kidding yourself if you think blowing up Pallestinian towns will hurt Hamas in any real way. Collateral damage only helps Hamas. Diplomacy or absorbing Palestine are the only potential solutions that could eliminate Hamas. And I don't think Israel will turn the other cheek with diplomacy or add 3-5 million muslims to their population.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 1:51 pm to ALhunter
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Israel can be denounced for creating multi-generational internment camps and an apartheid state.
Yeah, they could be....if that were actually true. Educate yourself.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 1:58 pm to Hogfan13
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Tell me you're completely ignorant about the entire situation without telling me you're completely ignorant about the entire situation.
Okay chief.
Have fun with your response of saying "you're wrong" without any ability to argue why or how.
Hamas is horrible and should be wiped off the planet.
But if you throw missiles into Palestine as a way of fighting Hamas, you guarantee the next generation of Hamas militants will come into existence.
You either have to invade and absorb palestine into Israel, or diplomatically work with the Palestinian government to jointly destroy their organization.
Lobbing missiles kills a lot of people, but it doesn't do much to actually damage a terrorist organization if they're acting within an area populated by civilians. Those civilians aren't going to blame the terrorist cell, they're going to blame the group throwing missiles at them.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:03 pm to finchmeister08
I agree with the image you posted.
The problem is that you aren't going to get the civilians (the babies in the image) to turn on Hamas if you lob grenades or randomly fire automatic weapons, killing innocents.
If you want that to happen, you have to use a sniper rifle and just kill hamas and not the civilians they hide behind.
Does Israel have the right to lob bombs back? Yes. I just don't see that ever solving the problem. It just guarantees a never ending cycle of bomb lobbing back and forth.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:28 pm to Hogfan13
quote:I mean that's literally what it is. Would love to hear what you'd call it... an "enclave"?
Yeah, they could be....if that were actually true. Educate yourself.
It's largely populated by Palestinian refugees who were forcibly relocated there to create the state of Israel. It's surrounded by walls, residents do not have freedom of movement, and Israel "reserves the right" to occupy Gaza at will. Its airspace, maritime space, water supply, power supply, and food are all controlled by Israel. Its imports and exports are controlled by Israel.
What more do you need?
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:42 pm to ALhunter
Go Gators.
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