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re: Conflict of interests in football officiating crews
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:06 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:06 pm to lsufball19
OK genius. There are some officials and crews who clearly call more penalties against road teams (which every team monitors). Those crews could be assigned to Alabama home games. Again, I am not saying that happens, but to say it couldn't if the supervisor wanted to do that is ridiculous.
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:08 pm to LSUgrad88
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There are some officials and crews who clearly call more penalties against road teams (which every team monitors).
What if they call more penalties on the road team because they commit more penalties?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:18 pm to pvilleguru
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What if they call more penalties on the road team because they commit more penalties?
Honestly, are you really this stupid? This is about what could happen! You have a rule that doesn't allow officials to ref their alma mater's games because it could be perceived as a conflict of interest, even though none of them have ever called their alma mater's games before. They are not prevented from doing this because they have favored that team in the past or made bogus calls. Its done because of the potential of a perceived conflict of interest. It just as easily could be perceived that the supervisor of all of them who reviews their calls,, grades them and assigns which games they work (including conference championship games, bowl games that SEC officials are assigned to), could have an effect on their performance. He should have to be governed by the same set of rules as the men who he supervises. Its really not that difficult.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:19 pm to LSUgrad88
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There are some officials and crews who clearly call more penalties against road teams (which every team monitors)
which crews? care to provide any data to support that statement?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:20 pm to LSUgrad88
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bowl games that SEC officials are assigned to
bowl games have referees from conferences that neither participating team is a member
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He should have to be governed by the same set of rules as the men who he supervises
he is
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Its really not that difficult.
you're right, it's not, so why are you trying to make it difficult?
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:21 pm to LSUgrad88
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even though none of them have ever called their alma mater's games before.
Because of the rule that's in place.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:24 pm to lsufball19
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bowl games have referees from conferences that neither participating team is a member
I'm really struggling to think you're this stupid, but you're wearing me down. Obviously, SEC crews in bowl games are assigned to games that don't have an SEC team in it. What in the hell does that have to do with it? Its a plum assignment to be picked to referee in a bowl game. Who do you think decides which SEC crews and refs work the bowl games? The SEC supervisor of officials does. Can you follow this? Could there be a perception that if an individual ref makes a call that goes against that supervisor's alma mater there could be consequences (again I don't for one second think this is the case).
So, in other words, you better hope he's happy with your job or the calls you've made or you don't have a chance in hell to get picked. This is about perception pure and simple.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:24 pm to bamaboy87
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Hard to do when EVERY SEC ref went to Alabama
And the rest are on the REC payroll
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:25 pm to LSUgrad88
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LSUgrad88
you alleged what bowl game they are assigned to could have an effect on their performance. I don;t think you even know how to articulate what you think you're arguing for or against anymore
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:34 pm to lsufball19
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you alleged what bowl game they are assigned to could have an effect on their performance. I don;t think you even know how to articulate what you think you're arguing for or against anymore
I have to agree with you on this. Its hard to articulate what you are arguing to someone who is utterly clueless. Bowl assignments are big rewards to officials. The SEC supervisor of officials hands them out to SEC officials. Can you not understand this? I mean its not 2 + 2, but's its not algebra either.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:37 pm to LSUgrad88
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Could there be a perception that if an individual ref makes a call that goes against that supervisor's alma mater there could be consequences
If it happens, let them speak up and fire the guy they are accusing. Why would these refs that are also alums of other conference teams allow this to go on?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:45 pm to LSUgrad88
potential of a perceived conflict of interest.
Nailed it!!! My dad officiated HS basketball for 42 years and was a school teacher as well. He made 2 requests when he began, not to call at his place of work and not to call any of my school's games. My mom taught at my school and he didn't want there to be any question about bias or conflict of interest. When I started playing and even when my sister cheered, he held true to his request. The only time he ever called one of my games was in a tournament when he was told he had the 6pm game winners bracket. He had no idea it was my school. I fouled out and 3 of the 5, including the last one was whistled by my dad!!
Nailed it!!! My dad officiated HS basketball for 42 years and was a school teacher as well. He made 2 requests when he began, not to call at his place of work and not to call any of my school's games. My mom taught at my school and he didn't want there to be any question about bias or conflict of interest. When I started playing and even when my sister cheered, he held true to his request. The only time he ever called one of my games was in a tournament when he was told he had the 6pm game winners bracket. He had no idea it was my school. I fouled out and 3 of the 5, including the last one was whistled by my dad!!
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:45 pm to LSUgrad88
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I have to agree with you on this. Its hard to articulate what you are arguing to someone who is utterly clueless.
How am I clueless?
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Bowl assignments are big rewards to officials. The SEC supervisor of officials hands them out to SEC officials. Can you not understand this?
Sure, so how does that affect their objectivity in games they officiate during the regular season that would have any effect on games involving SEC schools? Referees are graded each week and are given an overall grade at the end of the year. If I had to guess, if they do a good job, they are probably rewarded with bowl games. So is it possibly your argument that Shaw gives them a pat on the arse if they screw over the teams he wants them to and rewards them with bowl games?
And since it appears as if you have no evidence to support there has been any impropriety in regards to Shaw's role as the coordinator of officials in this conference, you sound ridiculous. The only ways he could ever actually affect anything that happens on the field that affect the outcomes of games is so far fetched it's not even worth entertaining.
I think your problem is you assume there is a potential conflict when there isn't actually a potential conflict.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:46 pm to bamaboy87
quote:well there you have it. contrived plot is obvious.
Hard to do when EVERY SEC ref went to Alabama
Posted on 10/23/18 at 3:03 pm to lsufball19
You can't argue with stupidity. And I'm done after this. We impose a rule on refs that they can't ref their alma mater's games, not because of anything they have actually done, but because of the possibility (however remote) that one time someone could do something to favor their old school. But, for heaven's sake, to place the same rule on their supervisor as we do on them, oh no, we can't do that. My argument is in no way that Steve Shaw is going to ask officials or reward officials to make calls for Alabama; its simply that he is in the position to actually do such a thing. And that should not be allowed to occur. Its not necessarily fair to him, just as its not fair to say a graduate of Missouri can't referee a Missouri game because he can't be impartial, when he has never shown that to be the case. But its done to eliminate any perceived possibility (again however remote) from being there. Again, really simple.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 3:14 pm to LSUgrad88
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he is in the position to actually do such a thing.
except he's not. I already posted a link to a summary of what his actual responsibilities are. You clearly decided not to read it. otherwise, you wouldn't be persisting with this horrible argument.
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Again, really simple.
I agree, but here you are still arguing a nonsensical point or, at minimum, a very misguided and ill-informed point. Doing a modicum of research about what the coordinator of officials actually does would be really beneficial to you. HTH
I'll make it really simple for you. The SEC does not want officials being put in a position where they can directly affect the outcomes of games in which their alma-mater is associated. Steve Shaw is never in that position. If you want to say he can indirectly affect games involving his alma-mater, then sure, but so can other referees, indirectly. the only way to prevent referees from indirectly affecting games involving their alma maters is to say that no SEC referee or anyone advising SEC referees can have a degree from an SEC school. But that would be pretty silly and doesn't provide for a lot of options to choose from in the SE.
Your argument is silly and ignorant, sorry.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/23/18 at 3:23 pm to lsufball19
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except he's not. I already posted a link to a summary of what his actual responsibilities are. You clearly decided not to read it. otherwise, you wouldn't be persisting with this horrible argument.
"complete weekly grading of each official (every play, every game) with play comments" "and downgrades when appropriate"
"Review crew schedule, release and modify as appropriate; release crews for upcoming weekend games"
Direct quotes from what you linked. Seriously, again, are you this stupid? I'm guessing I've been trolled and have swallowed the shiny hook.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 3:36 pm to Datfish
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Why can't you pick an officiating crew that has no direct associations with the two teams playing. Why should an LSU alum officiate an LSU game. Why should an Alabama alum officiate an Alabama game? The same goes for NFL teams.
The answer is they can't. They can officiate other teams in the SEC, but not one involving the program they graduated from.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 3:50 pm to Datfish
No wonder your state and the land mass state are last in education. 
Posted on 10/23/18 at 4:02 pm to LSUgrad88
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"complete weekly grading of each official (every play, every game) with play comments" "and downgrades when appropriate"
"Review crew schedule, release and modify as appropriate; release crews for upcoming weekend games"
Direct quotes from what you linked. Seriously, again, are you this stupid? I'm guessing I've been trolled and have swallowed the shiny hook.
ok, so now tell me how you think those responsibilities directly affect outcomes of games.
The first is something that occurs after a game has been played. Not sure how you think that affects the outcome of games.
The second could affect the outcome of a game potentially, but indirectly, and he would be required to assign a crew with no direct connection to either school playing. So you would have to assume he finds a crew with a specific ax to grind with one of the teams involved in the game they're assigned to. And regardless, the only people that can directly affect the outcome of a game are the people calling the games on the field. If someone he places at a game affects the outcome of a game, and he did so with that intent, that would be him indirectly affecting the outcome of a game.
It's always refreshing to see how much leg a person arguing has to stand on when they start resorting to ad hominem attacks to try to make a point. But at the end of the day, your argument holds no water. You are trying to create an issue out of a non-issue
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 4:09 pm
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