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re: Confirmed, UConn hoops transfer Alex Oriakhi just signed w/ Mizzou over Kentucky
Posted on 4/14/12 at 8:32 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Posted on 4/14/12 at 8:32 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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Look I respect the league no question. But conversely I hope you realize too that Big 12 and before it Big Eight hoops were plenty solid year in and year out.
SWC to BXII teams = (0) NC's
Big 8 to BXII teams = (5) NC's Kansas (3) + Oklahoma State (2)
SEC teams with NC's = (11) NC's Kentucky (8) + Florida (2) + Arkansas (1)
SWC to BXII teams = (5) FF's Texas (3) Final Fours + Baylor (2) - 4 of 5 were in the 1940's
Big 8 to BXII teams = (30) FF's Kansas (14) + Oklahoma State (6) + Oklahoma (4) + Kansas State (4) + Colorado (2) - Colorado is gone from BXII
SEC teams with FF's = (31) total Kentucky (15) + Arkansas (6) + Florida (4) + LSU (4) + Georgia (1) + Mississippi State (1)
- Anybody who thinks basketball is a threat from the Texas schools in the BXII needs to lay off the weed.
- The Big 8 has historically been the Big 2 in Kansas and Oklahoma State
- Half of the current SEC has been to the Final Four, and Missouri has yet to make a trip
- Kentucky beat Iowa State, Baylor, and Kansas handily on their 2012 title run SEC = 3 BXII = 0
- Missouri lost 1st game to a 15 seed, Kansas State was pounded in their 2nd game against the Cuse, and Texas went out in the first round to UC
- Wait till Missouri plays a few seasons in the SEC before boasting how good the BXII was
Not trying to start a big war here, just tired of defending SEC basketball to folks with teams who do not play here year in and year out. Everybody knows about Kentucky basketball, but they seem to forget the rest of the conference can play ball too. I know you are proud of your team, but forget the past, and make your future here. Settle it on the court and leave your ex wives out of it. Talking about your past marriages is a total buzz kill.
This post was edited on 4/14/12 at 9:36 am
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Posted on 4/14/12 at 9:50 am to FightTigers
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who else could really jump us in the league?
Based on Mizzou's exit from the tourney, I wouldn't count any team out....
Posted on 4/14/12 at 10:28 am to Cheese Grits
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Not trying to start a big war here, just tired of defending SEC basketball to folks with teams who do not play here year in and year out.
And we're tired of defending against statements like Mizzou won't help the quality of basketball in the SEC. There was another thread yesterday where a number of SEC fans were picking Mizzou to finish 6th or worse in the SEC next year. Yes, Mizzou blew it in the tournament this year and they haven't made it to a final four, but using tournament results as a proxy for conference play is silly.
Look, I respect the SEC and I know it is going to be a difficult league. And if some of these new coaches can turn their programs around the SEC could become one of, if not the best conference in the nation. But to act like we're walking into a much higher caliber of conference play than we're used to is not accurate. I'll accept that argument in football, but not basketball.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 10:46 am to motigers
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But to act like we're walking into a much higher caliber of conference play than we're used to is not accurate.
If it was up to me there would be a moratorium for year or two till both Texas A&M and Missouri were able to show where they stand. Sadly we live in an age of Twitter and 5 second attention spans. I just remember when Arkansas and South Carolina joined and thought it would be an instant adjustment. Hog fans still have their back up all the time, and I think some have still not let go of the SWC ghost. Quickest way to respect in the SEC is to win something. I know your fans have been in BXII prison for some time, but now you are free. It is a whole new world for you.
The SEC is no slouch in college basketball no matter what the national media might try and brainwash you with. You may not accept the high caliper of conference play in the SEC in basketball, but I have been around long enough to tell you firsthand that it is there. Until you are inside the SEC it is impossible to understand how wide the conference is. Again, Kentucky may get the press, but there are many teams that can play.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 11:01 am to Cheese Grits
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Again, Kentucky may get the press, but there are many teams that can play.
I agree 100%. Most Mizzou fans respect the SEC in every sport, including basketball. Nothing will be easy, we'll have to work for it. But to give us some credit, we're used to a very competitive hoops league, so I expect the adjustment period in basketball to be a little less than some other sports. Bottom line, it's all speculation at this point, and will be until we get on the court next fall.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 11:03 am to Cheese Grits
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The SEC is no slouch in college basketball no matter what the national media might try and brainwash you with.
I didn't say it was a slouch. In fact, I believe I said the opposite. And I don't believe there isn't a high caliber of play in the SEC, just that it isn't much higher, if at all, than the B12.
And by the way, damn you for making me defend that shitehole conference. I am looking ahead and can't wait to start playing in our new home.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 11:03 am to Cheese Grits
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Until you are inside the SEC it is impossible to understand how wide the conference is. Again, Kentucky may get the press, but there are many teams that can play.
The SEC is not a lot different than the Big 12. You have kU and UK and then everyone else, with 2 or 3 other teams competing in a given year and finishing in the top 25. To suggest Mizzou can be one of those teams in the Big 12 but not in the SEC is ridiculous.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 11:11 am to motigers
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I didn't say it was a slouch. In fact, I believe I said the opposite. And I don't believe there isn't a high caliber of play in the SEC, just that it isn't much higher, if at all, than the B12.
And by the way, damn you for making me defend that shitehole conference. I am looking ahead and can't wait to start playing in our new home.
I hate having to defend it too but looking at the last 5 years, the SEC has had 3 teams finish in the top 10 if my math is right. The Big 12 had 3 this year alone and 11 in the last 5 years. I think there is no doubt that Mizzou will help make the SEC, an already strong basketball conference, even stronger.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 1:53 pm to reedus23
Cheese Grits - funny you mention Arkansas and South Carolina. Seems to me that in Arkansas' first year in SEC play in 1992 it immediately became one of the top men's basketball teams in the league and a major conference and national championship contender with Todd Day, Lee Mayberry, Oliver Miller under Nolan Richardson. (Oh and also in that same year of 1992 that was Arkansas' first year in the SEC when they became an immediate dominant force in your league, the Hogs lost a non-conference game on their homecourt to...wait for it...Mizzou).
It is possible both for the SEC to be a good league and at the same time for new entrants like Mizzou to have the tools to do well in the league right off the bat. Really, it's ok.
And basing your league analysis on number of national titles won works well in football where the national title is really reflective of a season's body of work. But the whole thing about hoops and the NCAA tournament is that the majority of times, the best team of the regular season doesn't win. In football, at least the best regular season team is gonna be in the national title game. Not so in hoops where upsets abound.
An SEC example of this: I recall in 2004 when Kentucky had the #1 team and was favored to win the national title but got beat in the second round by a little known UAB team coached by Mike Anderson.
Stuff like that happens. In Mizzou's case its happened to us a lot, more than would normally be expected, and as a result from year to year we are generally always the team with the most or second-most all-time NCAA tournament appearances without a Final Four. That may be dubious for the postseason and I live with it every day, but that doesn't mean I'm barred from taking pride in how consistent my program has been over the years in getting to the NCAA tourney a lot and committing the resources to getting there. LSU made some Final Fours a few years ago and look at their program now, and look at their total fan apathy now.
Heck Mizzou is third amongst all 14 SEC teams in number of all-time NCAA tournament appearances. Let me please reiterate that. Of all the SEC teams, only Kentucky and Arkansas have been to more NCAA tournaments than Missouri. Would you agree that adding us is a helpful injection of good basketball for the SEC in that regard?
You will notice that Mizzou fans tend to care a whole lot more even if our postseason runs have been substantially less. We are fiesty and passionate and that is a part of the reason we keep our program up afloat. In that regard yes, I think we can help your league in hoops, and we can do so immediately.
It is possible both for the SEC to be a good league and at the same time for new entrants like Mizzou to have the tools to do well in the league right off the bat. Really, it's ok.
And basing your league analysis on number of national titles won works well in football where the national title is really reflective of a season's body of work. But the whole thing about hoops and the NCAA tournament is that the majority of times, the best team of the regular season doesn't win. In football, at least the best regular season team is gonna be in the national title game. Not so in hoops where upsets abound.
An SEC example of this: I recall in 2004 when Kentucky had the #1 team and was favored to win the national title but got beat in the second round by a little known UAB team coached by Mike Anderson.
Stuff like that happens. In Mizzou's case its happened to us a lot, more than would normally be expected, and as a result from year to year we are generally always the team with the most or second-most all-time NCAA tournament appearances without a Final Four. That may be dubious for the postseason and I live with it every day, but that doesn't mean I'm barred from taking pride in how consistent my program has been over the years in getting to the NCAA tourney a lot and committing the resources to getting there. LSU made some Final Fours a few years ago and look at their program now, and look at their total fan apathy now.
Heck Mizzou is third amongst all 14 SEC teams in number of all-time NCAA tournament appearances. Let me please reiterate that. Of all the SEC teams, only Kentucky and Arkansas have been to more NCAA tournaments than Missouri. Would you agree that adding us is a helpful injection of good basketball for the SEC in that regard?
You will notice that Mizzou fans tend to care a whole lot more even if our postseason runs have been substantially less. We are fiesty and passionate and that is a part of the reason we keep our program up afloat. In that regard yes, I think we can help your league in hoops, and we can do so immediately.
This post was edited on 4/14/12 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 4/14/12 at 1:56 pm to FightTigers
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I mean Florida lost beal and who else could really jump us in the league other than them?
We finished 2nd in the league last year, it would be them jumping us.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 2:13 pm to Cheese Grits
dude, are you really saying that the sec is better than the big 12 in basketball? holyyyyyyyyy shite
Posted on 4/14/12 at 2:16 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
He sucks
Posted on 4/14/12 at 2:25 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
It's a bit much, bit its not like the Big 12 is a great league, either.
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