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re: Confirmed: NCAA investigation of Auburn continues
Posted on 7/14/11 at 1:55 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
Posted on 7/14/11 at 1:55 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
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So your argument for Cam being guilty of being paid is the following... He stole a laptop, can't drive worth a shite, and he might have cheated on some test. There for he must have been paid. It's a clear pattern of deviant criminal behavior...
Why don't you provide us with 1 check, a bank deposit, a bingo winnings receipt, something, anything to prove he was paid? Seriously put up or shut up. I don't wanna hear about a traffic ticket, or a fricking laptop, I want you to provide 1 shred of evidence that Cam received even a dollar to attend AU.
btw no one disputes cecil was looking to get paid. What I want you to do is prove to us he was paid.
I think he's guilty because college sports is dirty. I think every team in the SEC is dirty.
I think he's a moron like Dez Bryant.
I'm not into the conspiracy stuff. I think the my kid didn't know I was selling him argument is weak. If I told my mom a lie like that, then she smack me for making it too obvious.
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 1:55 pm to NYCAuburn
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NYC
Yeah, but there is no point in trying to argue that with people.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:02 pm to arwicklu
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I think he's guilty because college sports is dirty. I think every team in the SEC is dirty.
if that's the case, then why does anyone give a shite whether he got paid or not?
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:03 pm to AUnite
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A person's prefrontal cortex is not fully formed until they are 24 or 25. Now I'm sure you don't know what the prefrontal cortex does, so I'll explain: This brain region has been implicated in planning complex cognitive behaviors, personality expression, decision making and moderating correct social behavior ( Yang Y, Raine A (November 2009). "Prefrontal structural and functional brain imaging findings in antisocial, violent, and psychopathic individuals: a meta-analysis").
Now then with this new information...let's put it in context: Cam Newton is now 22 years old. Is he legally an adult? Absolutely, but the part of his brain that is responsible for decision making and correct social behavior is still not fully formed.
More context: When he was arrested for the laptop incident he was 19 years old. Was he legally an adult? Yes, but once again, his prefrontal cortex was not fully developed.
Shall we go into when at what age a child understands right from wrong?? He knew he was doing something that was not legal. He's an adult by definition. And if that's ALL you have to try and save poor cam.. bless you.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:07 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
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Speeding is a misdemeanor, just like jaywalking is in most cases
Is it still a crime?
The answer is YES.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:09 pm to Itsme2011
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Shall we go into when at what age a child understands right from wrong??
Depends on the child.
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He knew he was doing something that was not legal.
I never said he thought it was legal.
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if that's ALL you have to try and save poor cam..
I'm not trying to save him from anything. He doesn't have a criminal record and traffic tickets go away after a couple of years. It appears to me he doesn't need to be saved from anything.
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bless you
I don't need your kind to "bless me". Please STFU.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:09 pm to ThaKaptin
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Can we not give this a rest? I mean we dont even know if the Cam situation is the part that is still being investigated. Last I checked there were a few other areas they were being investigated in as well. Thibadeaux, Willy Lyles, Gene Chizik's lack of teeth, I mean seriously, we get that you think Cam is the illustration of evil. I can guarantee that he doesnt give a flying curly headed frick though for what its worth.
No.. I don't think that he's evil. I do think he has an issue like a lot of athletes have. It's an ego built by coaches and family.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:11 pm to Broke
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Is it still a crime?
The answer is YES.
Correct answer broke. It's not a malum in se crime though, it's a malum prohibitum crime.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:11 pm to Itsme2011
I like when Cam likes to use big words in interviews that are totally out of context. He uses words that don't mean what he thinks they mean.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:14 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
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So your argument for Cam being guilty of being paid is the following..
I'll assume you are talking to me... And if so, read my posts again. That's not what I said.
I am saying that from the investigations into Cam and Cecil we have a pattern. Period. Yes. Just like you can look back at Vick.. from HS to College to the pros. There was a pattern.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:15 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
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if that's the case, then why does anyone give a shite whether he got paid or not?
I guess people are offended by the level of dirty. Hundred dollar handshakes like Chopblock Chaz are no big deal but 180k seems more like buying a championship.
I think people are also offended by the NCAA ruling the child and the parent are the same for USC but they arent for Auburn.
The system is broken. Albert Means went above hundred dollar handshakes. Reggie Bush and Cam are in the same bucket.
I hope that Auburn gets penalized if they did it but no more than I hope Ohio State, Oregon, and USC get it. I really wish the game wasn't so dirty. I really soils what should be a great game.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:17 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
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As far as I know, he doesn't have a felony on his record. He entered a court provided program and may or may not have had his record expunged. He was never convicted of a felony.
I see many hollywood stars enter court mandated programs. Does that make what he did any less wrong? No. Did he know it was wrong? yes. Did he know that cheating was wrong? yes. Did he know that speeding was wrong? yes.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:18 pm to Broke
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Speeding is a misdemeanor, just like jaywalking is in most cases
Is it still a crime?
The answer is YES.
Most speeding tickets are an infraction or violation and not a misdemeanor.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:19 pm to NYCAuburn
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Everyone knows he did not have all speeding tickets, right? I know it is a ticket, but some of the "violations" were like having tag obscured(which means he probably had either a vanity plate holder or one of those plate covers), not having his liscense, rolling stop sign stops, etc...
So it's more than one law he was regularly breaking.... cause that shows a better pattern?
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:20 pm to arwicklu
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I hope that Auburn gets penalized if they did it but no more than I hope Ohio State, Oregon, and USC get it. I really wish the game wasn't so dirty. I really soils what should be a great game.
Beyond the schools getting it for cheating, I hope Texas Tech gets it for what they did to Mike Leach. That is worse than the Auburn stuff to me. They tried to destroy a guy's life and career. Pathetic.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:22 pm to arwicklu
take it to the DMV board
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:23 pm to Itsme2011
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I am saying that from the investigations into Cam and Cecil we have a pattern.
What pattern?
There is no pattern.. a stolen laptop and speeding tickets do not create a pattern that leads one to conclude Cam was paid for anything. The only thing that provides any evidence that he might have, wanted to or did get paid was Cecil asking MSU for money. The proof that he did receive money does not exist. There are no bank records, there are no money trails. The only place they haven't dug is in Cecil's backyard.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:25 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
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The only thing that provides any evidence that he might have, wanted to or did get paid was Cecil asking MSU for money. The proof that he did receive money does not exist. There are no bank records, there are no money trails. The only place they haven't dug is in Cecil's backyard.
That's funny! Again.. pattern.. like it or not! It's not really up for debate.
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:25 pm to Itsme2011
quote:I think maybe the disconnect is that you don't understand the meaning of the term pattern or I don't know what kind of pattern you are referring to.
That's funny! Again.. pattern.. like it or not! It's not really up for debate.
Does Cam have a pattern of being paid to play college football? No.
Does Cam have a pattern of criminal behavior? He had 1 arrest that I am aware of and an inordinate amount of traffic citations. That isn't a pattern of criminal behavior.
Does Cam have a pattern of receiving traffic citations? Certainly at Florida he did, but I am not aware that the pattern ever continued beyond his Florida days.
Does Cam have a pattern of not giving stellar interviews or speaking well in public? Probably.
Does Cam have a pattern of infuriating SEC fan bases? Definitely.
This post was edited on 7/14/11 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 7/14/11 at 2:26 pm to Itsme2011
Ok, since this is the argument of the day I guess I'll weigh in a bit on it...
At 18, you are a man. The world sees you as a man. The world treats you like a man. (Everyone except for your mother that is) The courts try you like a man. By 20, you DAMN sure better be acting like a man because while some folks MIGHT let you slide at 18 or 19, at 20 when that little word "teen" is eliminated from your age, so is any chance at getting by with something because you are still a "kid".
I will admit to doing some pretty stupid stuff up until I was about 24-25 still, but I also paid the price for it. A jail cell dont care how old you are.
I personally think that Cam Newton is an arrogant, self indulgent, disrespectful showboat. I dont think he gives 2 shits about Auburn University. They were merely a tool for him to use to get elevated into super-stardom.
Is he a ridiculously gifted athlete? Yup
Does he do things that make me scratch my head and wonder how on the football field? Yup
Does any of that matter when discussing what type of person he is? Hell no
And I'm sorry Nite, but the fact that it was illegal to release his academic information has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on how what was in that information reflects on HIM. The guy cheated multiple times and the skipped state to a JuCo school to avoid being booted out of Florida. That alone shows me that he has no intention of ever paying the consequences of his actions if he can help it.
Add to that the fact that he got 12 or 13 traffic citations in a year and you have a serious problem with authority or rules altogether for that matter. I don't care if some of them were stop signs, speeding tickets, or whatever. After a couple, if he had any intentions of changing his behavior to stay out of trouble, that number would have been a LOT lower. The fact is that he didnt give a rats arse that he was breaking the law. He was Cam fricking Newton and he did what he wanted regardless of the law.
Does any of this mean that he took money from Auburn to play football there? Nope
Does it make it seem a little more likely that he would have taken it had it been offered? Yup
Does his father's admission of guilt in regards to asking Miss St for money make it more likely that he asked for it from Auburn? I'd say so
Has there been anything concrete proven about Auburn's current coaching staff that would lead one to believe they pay for recruits? Not a single thing.
Is there a lot of smoke though? There really is.
I dont know if he got paid or not to play for Auburn, but I'm not gonna worry about it too much until the NCAA is finished with their investigation. And according to the chick at the SEC meetings, we will most definitely know when that happens.
At 18, you are a man. The world sees you as a man. The world treats you like a man. (Everyone except for your mother that is) The courts try you like a man. By 20, you DAMN sure better be acting like a man because while some folks MIGHT let you slide at 18 or 19, at 20 when that little word "teen" is eliminated from your age, so is any chance at getting by with something because you are still a "kid".
I will admit to doing some pretty stupid stuff up until I was about 24-25 still, but I also paid the price for it. A jail cell dont care how old you are.
I personally think that Cam Newton is an arrogant, self indulgent, disrespectful showboat. I dont think he gives 2 shits about Auburn University. They were merely a tool for him to use to get elevated into super-stardom.
Is he a ridiculously gifted athlete? Yup
Does he do things that make me scratch my head and wonder how on the football field? Yup
Does any of that matter when discussing what type of person he is? Hell no
And I'm sorry Nite, but the fact that it was illegal to release his academic information has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on how what was in that information reflects on HIM. The guy cheated multiple times and the skipped state to a JuCo school to avoid being booted out of Florida. That alone shows me that he has no intention of ever paying the consequences of his actions if he can help it.
Add to that the fact that he got 12 or 13 traffic citations in a year and you have a serious problem with authority or rules altogether for that matter. I don't care if some of them were stop signs, speeding tickets, or whatever. After a couple, if he had any intentions of changing his behavior to stay out of trouble, that number would have been a LOT lower. The fact is that he didnt give a rats arse that he was breaking the law. He was Cam fricking Newton and he did what he wanted regardless of the law.
Does any of this mean that he took money from Auburn to play football there? Nope
Does it make it seem a little more likely that he would have taken it had it been offered? Yup
Does his father's admission of guilt in regards to asking Miss St for money make it more likely that he asked for it from Auburn? I'd say so
Has there been anything concrete proven about Auburn's current coaching staff that would lead one to believe they pay for recruits? Not a single thing.
Is there a lot of smoke though? There really is.
I dont know if he got paid or not to play for Auburn, but I'm not gonna worry about it too much until the NCAA is finished with their investigation. And according to the chick at the SEC meetings, we will most definitely know when that happens.
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