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re: Clearing up some misconceptions about A&M
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:54 pm to Bose Ikard
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:54 pm to Bose Ikard
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You have 30k students at games, which means you have 55k or so paid non-students at a game.
You will never be on par with other SEC schools as long as this trend continues. Student sections are great but they are just students. Most students will not spend the same amount of money that the average fan would. I do to see how this would give anybody an advantage. I would throw ten kinds of hell if LSU started doing this.
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:54 pm to Pigimus Prime
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Arizona State:
1949 - 4,094
2011 - 72,254
That's all campuses of AZ State.
The main campus has 59,794 students, which is more than enough to make your point.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:56 pm to BrerTiger
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That's all campuses of AZ State.
The main campus has 59,794 students, which is more than enough to make your point.
My bad, I knew it was big and just quickly grabbed that. Thought it seemed high lol.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:58 pm to LSUNV
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You will never be on par with other SEC schools as long as this trend continues. Student sections are great but they are just students. Most students will not spend the same amount of money that the average fan would. I do to see how this would give anybody an advantage. I would throw ten kinds of hell if LSU started doing this.
That's why people want a large increase in capacity when we renovate the stadium. Make it 70-30 instead of 55-30.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:58 pm to LSUNV
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You will never be on par with other SEC schools as long as this trend continues
We take pride in having a very large student section. We sold out of season tickets the last two years, but we can't seat more non-students without decreasing the student allotment (won't happen) or increasing the size of the stadium.
We will be increasing capacity, and soon. Kyle is in such bad shape that it's going to take several years if we do it in stages, or we might play a season in Houston and try to do it all at once. While it hasn't beeb decided yet, most people think capacity will be somewhere between 95-105K when finished.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 12:59 pm to Bose Ikard
First off your direct correlation to student body size and resources is stupid. And you're an idiot if it doesn't make sense to you. An absolute moron. Here. I'll will take it step by step with you. At what point in the SWC did we have bottom half resources? At what point in the Big 12 did we have bottom half resources in the conference? Do we currently have bottom half resources in the SEC?
Actually you won't answer the question, you'll skirt around it somehow... Because you're probably a 19 year old douche.
Actually you won't answer the question, you'll skirt around it somehow... Because you're probably a 19 year old douche.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:01 pm to LSUNV
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You have 30k students at games, which means you have 55k or so paid non-students at a game.quote:
You will never be on par with other SEC schools as long as this trend continues. Student sections are great but they are just students. Most students will not spend the same amount of money that the average fan would. I do to see how this would give anybody an advantage. I would throw ten kinds of hell if LSU started doing this.
I hope we keep the tradition of having a large student section in a decent location. Hopefully our future stadium is large enough to have 70k-ish non-students though.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:01 pm to Pigimus Prime
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My bad, I knew it was big and just quickly grabbed that. Thought it seemed high lol.
Check this out.
Despite having 59k students, Arizona State is bragging that they increased attendance last year more than anyone else in the nation last year.
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There were high expectations in Tempe this season for the football team and Sun Devils fans showed their support throughout the year, even when the team was struggling. Thanks to multiple primetime showdowns with Mizzou, a game that featured the first-ever Blackout at Sun Devil Stadium, along with Pac-12 showdowns with USC and Arizona, Arizona State football posted the highest increase in attendance of anyone in the nation.
The Sun Devils averaged 59,007 fans per game, 11,064 more fans per game than in 2010, according to a report out of the Arizona Republic. Stanford saw a 9,955 per-game increase, with Iowa State (8,252), Oklahoma State (6,417) and Florida State (6,122) rounding out the top five.
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Pac 12 football, bitches!
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:02 pm to TeLeFaWx
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First off your direct correlation to student body size and resources is stupid.
I never said the correlation was direct. I said that there is a direct correlation between enrollment and alumni base. There is also a correlation between alumni base and fan base, though there are sometimes other factors that can play into that.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:06 pm to BrerTiger
That is fricking sad.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:08 pm to Bose Ikard
I understand you are increasing capacity but still will not be on par. Here is why,
LSU has 45,000 tickets that requires a donation to our traditional Fund on top of the regular price.
Then we have a set amount set aside for The Tiger Athletic foundation hat also requires a donation on top of regular price.
Then we have per game tickets which is inflatable depending on the importance of the game.
Student tickets are the last priority based on funds that are generated.
LSU has 45,000 tickets that requires a donation to our traditional Fund on top of the regular price.
Then we have a set amount set aside for The Tiger Athletic foundation hat also requires a donation on top of regular price.
Then we have per game tickets which is inflatable depending on the importance of the game.
Student tickets are the last priority based on funds that are generated.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:09 pm to Bose Ikard
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I never said the correlation was direct. I said that there is a direct correlation between enrollment and alumni base. There is also a correlation between alumni base and fan base, though there are sometimes other factors that can play into that.
I'm still waiting for you to somehow control for those "sometimes other factors" so we can all systematically try to focus on your central thesis which currently eludes almost everyone here. See, you try to make a point and it gets rebuked. So you complicate said point even further by bringing in this unseen factors. Clean this shite up and come back next week.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:09 pm to BrerTiger
The worst part about ASU football is that ASU is in Tempe in the middle of the Phoenix metro area with access to tons of fans. They aren't in College Station, TX or Auburn, AL where your alumni and fans need to drive a distance to the games. If ASU fans would realize how well partying and football go together maybe they would care more 
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:12 pm to joe.liberst
so you dont support the dress up corps and the yell leaders?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:12 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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The worst part about ASU football is that ASU is in Tempe in the middle of the Phoenix metro area with access to tons of fans. They aren't in College Station, TX or Auburn, AL where your alumni and fans need to drive a distance to the games. If ASU fans would realize how well partying and football go together maybe they would care more
Someone should mail them this thread as it looks like they have some serious bad arse football days ahead of them. They have it all, growing student body, a fanbase that sprouts up after a generation that was born roughly in the 25 years between 1971-1990, and increasingly large resources. Pac-12 about to be fricked.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:13 pm to Pigimus Prime
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So you complicate said point even further by bringing in this unseen factors.
They are not unseen. If a school has a built-in alumni base through a strong religious tie-in, that can cause them to have a large fan base even while having a comparatively small alumni base. If a school is the main school in a region without professional sports, then that can cause them to have a lot of "t-shirt fans." Neither of those exceptions apply to A&M.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:13 pm to Pigimus Prime
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Someone should mail them this thread as it looks like they have some serious bad arse football days ahead of them. They have it all, growing student body, a fanbase that sprouts up after a generation that was born roughly in the 25 years between 1971-1990, and increasingly large resources. Pac-12 about to be fricked.
I made a sarcastic comment about how terrible this thread was a couple pages back. Stop using my comments to fuel the fire
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:14 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Do we currently have bottom half resources in the SEC?
Well... let's see.
Per the NCAA:
Expenditures per year per athletic program:
1. Texas $133.6 million
4. Florida $107.1 million
5. Alabama $105.0 million
7. Auburn $100.4 million
8. Tennessee $97.5 million
11. LSU $91.7 million
15. Kentucky $82.8 million
18. Georgia $80.7 million
19. So. Carolina $80.5 million
20. Arkansas $79.3 million
22. Texas A&M $78.3 million
32. Mizzou $64.1 million
46. Arizona State $57.0 million
50. Miss State $51.5 million
53. Ole Miss $47.1 million
Vandy isn't on the list because the NCAA only has figures on public schools.
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But the Aggies rank 10th out of 14 for spending on athletics though pretty much on par with Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina and Arkansas (all within a few million of each other).
So maybe "bottom half" isn't the metric you want to use. Techincally, A&M is bottom half of the SEC. But it would be fairer to group them in with the four other schools I mentioned. In terms of current "resources" anyway.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:15 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Sorry.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:16 pm to BrerTiger
The main point of this thread is to attempt to explain away....
....wait for it....
41-24
....wait for it....
41-24
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