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re: Can a Team Win a National Championship with a “Game Manager” at Quarterback?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:10 pm to captdalton
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:10 pm to captdalton
maybe but you definitely can win one with a bad arse walk on
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:20 pm to llfshoals
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Other than Tua, all of them for pretty much every one of ours.
You guys expect greatness out of your quarterbacks if you consider some of those guys “game managers”.
Mac Jones dominated 2020 and made an NFL pro bowl. Jalen Hurts won SEC offensive player of the year. AJ Mccarron was third in the Heisman vote. No, none were perfect or the best college quarterbacks. But they were very good college quarterbacks.
I would consider Jake Coker and Jay Barker game managers. But the college game seems to have changed so much in the last 10 years I don’t know if you could stick those guys on any team today and have them win a national championship.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:21 pm to captdalton
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And he wasn’t exactly running an air raid offense.
exactly, LSU was still running the ball way more than they were passing. He was there with Fournette and Guice, among others. LSU was running a smashmouth pro-style offense predicated on running the ball. Only Auburn threw the ball less than LSU in 2016 and LSU had the fewest passing attempts of any SEC team in 2017. Etling was 100000% a game manager. His job was to not turn the ball over and keep the defense honest enough to open up lanes for the running backs. LSU had one of the worst passing offenses in the league both years he was there. He just happened to be better than Harris and Jennings before him, not exactly a high bar
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Not what I consider a “game manager”.
because you don't understand what the term means. Having a guy who may get drafted has nothing to do with someone's role on the football team in college
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:34 pm to captdalton
What do you call stetson bennett?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:37 pm to kywildcatfanone
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What do you call stetson bennett?
I think the analysis begins and ends with him by whether or not they were drafted
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:40 pm to kywildcatfanone
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What do you call stetson bennett?
Bennett made plays game managers only dream of
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This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:44 pm to captdalton
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I think it is a very fair and unbiased criteria. Instead of saying “game manager”, lets say a potential NFL level QB.
The problem with the premise is that the NFL will likely draft a "game manager" at some point who's been successful enough to win a college national championship.
McElroy was the last truly "game manager" that Alabama had in the sense that he won but probably didn't have NFL level arm talent and I believe even he got drafted.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:49 pm to lsufball19
What do you consider to be the definition of a game manager? I like this one. I highlighted my favorite part.
For three pages I have been trying to fix my mistake of initially saying “game manager” when I should have said “NFL potential talent”. But even so, I would argue that any quarterback drafted by an NFL team is pretty elite. Way less than 10% of college quarterbacks are ever drafted. I would call the top 10% elite.
Let me use this analogy. If someone has a F250 diesel with a 20,000 pound towing capacity but never tows anything is it still considered a towing vehicle? I would say it is.
What if another guy has a Toyota Tacoma and tows a jet ski every weekend during the summer. Is that a better towing vehicle? I would say no.
I think the definition of a “game manager” includes not just purely stats, but also what is under the hood. And performance in pressure situations counts more than stats from beating up on the sisters of the poor.
I know when it comes to JJ McCarthy, I watched only three Michigan games last year; Ohio State, Alabama, and Michigan. And in two of those games the plays he made throwing the football were the difference in the game. So it is hard for me to label him a game manager.
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In American football, a game manager is a quarterback who, despite pedestrian individual statistics such as passing yards and touchdowns, also maintains low numbers of mistakes, such as interceptions and fumbles. Such a quarterback is seen as a major factor in neither his team's wins nor their losses; his performance is good enough to not negatively affect the performances of other players on his team, even if he himself does not have the skills to be considered an elite player . Game managers often benefit from strong defense and rushing offense on their teams.
For three pages I have been trying to fix my mistake of initially saying “game manager” when I should have said “NFL potential talent”. But even so, I would argue that any quarterback drafted by an NFL team is pretty elite. Way less than 10% of college quarterbacks are ever drafted. I would call the top 10% elite.
Let me use this analogy. If someone has a F250 diesel with a 20,000 pound towing capacity but never tows anything is it still considered a towing vehicle? I would say it is.
What if another guy has a Toyota Tacoma and tows a jet ski every weekend during the summer. Is that a better towing vehicle? I would say no.
I think the definition of a “game manager” includes not just purely stats, but also what is under the hood. And performance in pressure situations counts more than stats from beating up on the sisters of the poor.
I know when it comes to JJ McCarthy, I watched only three Michigan games last year; Ohio State, Alabama, and Michigan. And in two of those games the plays he made throwing the football were the difference in the game. So it is hard for me to label him a game manager.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 4:02 pm to kywildcatfanone
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What do you call stetson bennett?
I would call Stetson Bennet an elite college quarterback for a number of reasons.
2x national championship winner
2x national championship game MVP
Manning Award
Burlsworth Trophy
2nd Team All SEC
4th in Heisman balloting
He finished his career with: 65% completion pct; 8,429 passing yards, 66 TD, 21 INT, a 160.9 rating
In 2022 he threw for over 4,000 yards and he accounted for 37 touchdowns while turning the ball over 7 times.
He was drafted in the fourth round of the NFL draft.
I would call him an elite college quarterback. Anyone who would call him a game manager is obtuse or ignorant.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 6:18 pm to lsufball19
I will offer this final piece of evidence that you can’t win big anymore with just a game manager quarterback. Most teams have a guy who could be a game manager and hand the ball off and not be asked to make critical throws. If that was good enough, then transfer quarterbacks wouldn’t have started at 43 of 68 power conference schools to start the season. If game managers were all that were needed, transfer quarterbacks wouldn’t be the hottest commodity in college football.
QB Transfers Have Taken Over College Football
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In all, 43 transfer quarterbacks are projected to start among the 68 power conference teams — a 63% clip that is perhaps the most glaring sign yet of the transient era of college football. Thirty of those 43 projected transfer starters are in their first year at their new school.
QB Transfers Have Taken Over College Football
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:04 pm to captdalton
Aren’t most of Alabama’s like that until Tua and Hurts came along?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:05 pm to captdalton
Sure.
1. Take care of the football.
2. Count the box.
3. Set protections.
4. Understand route combinations.
5. Identify coverages
These are skills.
1. Take care of the football.
2. Count the box.
3. Set protections.
4. Understand route combinations.
5. Identify coverages
These are skills.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:22 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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Aren’t most of Alabama’s like that until Tua and Hurts came along?
Yes, but the game was different then IMO.
First, there wasn’t a playoff until 10 years ago. You had one big BCS game to win. When they went to the 4 game playoff format, often the team with the “best” QB came out on top. That will be magnified with 12 teams. Now a team will have to win three or four games (depending on seeding) in a row against top 12 teams to win a national championship. Having to do that is going to put more on the quarterback’s shoulders. Just like the NFL playoffs do. I think the last time a “game manager” QB won a superbowl was Trent Dilfer with the Ravens in 2000. Over 20 years ago.
Second is the transfer portal. It is an arms race for the best talent. But much of it is transient talent with little history together. That is going to make it even more important that offenses have not just physically gifted quarterbacks, but leaders too. Again, much like the NFL, you have to have a really good quarterback to win it all.
We will see. But I don’t think you will see any scrub “game manager” quarterbacks win any national championships for a long time. Which sucks, because if you don’t have a really good quarterback, you know your season is hosed right from the start. It used to not be that way.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 6:59 am to captdalton
I see what you are saying.
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