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Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:24 am to tigerdup07
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:24 am to tigerdup07
Dang, I saw the scroll this morning about the NFLPA investigating Elite Football Prep and googled it...although that investigation seems to be unrelated, I think it is going to be interesting to see what falls out, given Kenny Rogers' relationship to players and this agent.
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In the interview, Smith said the NFLPA is conducting an investigation into an agent and a recruiter -- commonly referred to as a "runner." Sources say that the agent is Greengross, and the recruiter is Kenny Rogers, who was working for Greengross. Smith said the recruiter -- who he did not name -- may have posed as an employee of the NFLPA in an attempt to influence players to hire the agent for representation.
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I paid Kenny to work with some of my players," said Greengross, who according to his Facebook page represents Bears players Tommie Harris, Charles Tillman, Israel Idonije and Lance Briggs as a Chicago attorney. "He introduced me to a lot of coaches, and [I paid him] to review film of players and scout players. I paid him a flat fee. I never paid a percentage for referring players. That's disclosed on the NFLPA form [which is required of agents, who have business ties with people who have contact with any of the agent's clients]."
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Sources said Rogers is being investigated for misrepresenting himself to several members of the 2010 draft class, including Carolina third-round receiver Brandon LaFell, Philadelphia fourth-round cornerback Trevard Lindley, and Houston sixth-round pick Trindon Holliday, in addition to NFL veterans Danieal Manning and Marcus Harrison of the Bears, and St. Louis receiver Keenan Burton.
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Rogers denied posing as an NFLPA employee, but admitted to contacting Manning, along with LaFell, Lindley, Harrison and Burton. Rogers said that none of his interactions with the players involved attempts to persuade them to sign with Greengross.
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Lindley and Holliday were listed as Greengross clients in materials distributed by the NFLPA prior to the draft. Greengross, who was certified as an agent in 2003, also represents Raiders running back Darren McFadden, and used to represent Colts running back Joseph Addai. Greengross' Facebook page says the agent represents three first-round picks in the last four drafts.
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Greengross says that Rogers, who runs a company called Elite Football Preparation, and holds camps in Chicago, Alabama and Mississippi, "works with kids" and "helps so many kids get into school, and get scholarships." Rogers said he also mentors potential transfers like "guys who get kicked out of school."
"He does training and a bunch of stuff," Greengross said of Rogers. "Did Kenny refer me to a few guys? Absolutely. I never paid him. They [the NFLPA] asked me about that."
Rogers said Greengross pays him "two grand per month."
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Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:26 am to Bubba Bexley
It's like Christmas came early. Not because Cam may be ineligible, but because after all the shite-talking AU did through our NCAA problems and they could have a Alber Means x 2349853485 case in their laps 
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:27 am to Bubba Bexley
LULZ at all the "I believe in Auburn and love it" statuses on facebook.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:36 am to rbWarEagle
per Barrett Sallee of CFN...
So far there’s lots of smoke, but no fire.
ESPN.com and the New York Times reported Thursday that the NCAA is investigating the recruitment of Auburn quarterback Cam Newton. The reports stem from statements by former Mississippi State quarterback John Bond, who claims that another former Bulldog, Kenneth Rogers, shopped Newton’s services to Mississippi State for $180,000.
Cam Newton’s father, Cecil Newton, has stated that his son has done nothing wrong.
"If Rogers tried to solicit money from Mississippi State, he did it on his own, without our knowledge," Cecil Newton told ESPN.com.
So what does that mean for Auburn? Well, as of now, nothing apparently.
Auburn head coach Gene Chizik stated Thursday night that Newton is eligible, and will remain eligible.
“Cameron Newton is eligible at Auburn University,” said Chizik during Auburn’s call-in show Thursday night. “Period. End of story.”
The Opelika-Auburn News quoted an anonymous source late Thursday night, saying that “there are no NCAA allegations against any member of Auburn’s coaching staff or anyone associated with Auburn in the recruitment of Cam Newton.” That speaks volumes as far as I’m concerned.
According to the reports, Auburn has known about this since July. If Auburn had any doubt that Newton was going to be ruled ineligible at any point during the 2010 season, they shouldn’t have – and wouldn’t have – played him.
Cam Newton’s father, Cecil Newton, said that he received a request from the NCAA for financial statements, which he provided for Holy Zion Center of Deliverance in Newnan, Ga., where he is pastor.
The church had been in jeopardy of being demolished for not being up to the city’s building code, but underwent renovations in the last year to rectify the situation. Could that mean that the church suddenly got an influx of cash? Well, maybe. But this report dated Sept. 23, 2009 from the Newnan (Ga.) Times-Herald states that the church already had the “money in hand” to renovate the church roughly two months before Auburn started recruiting Newton.
Was something shady going on during Cam Newton’s recruiting process? Sure. But that doesn’t necessarily implicate either Auburn or the Newton’s as the wrongdoer. As of now, the only person who is being implicated as a wrongdoer is Kenneth Rogers, who already is being investigated by the NFL Players Association for misrepresenting himself to players.
Before everyone goes crazy saying that Newton should never play football at any level ever again and that Auburn should be relegated to SMU status for the next decade, let’s see how this thing plays out for a little longer.
Barrett Sallee covers the SEC for www.CollegeFootballNews.com. He can be reached at barrettsallee@gmail.com, or on Twitter at @BarrettSallee
So far there’s lots of smoke, but no fire.
ESPN.com and the New York Times reported Thursday that the NCAA is investigating the recruitment of Auburn quarterback Cam Newton. The reports stem from statements by former Mississippi State quarterback John Bond, who claims that another former Bulldog, Kenneth Rogers, shopped Newton’s services to Mississippi State for $180,000.
Cam Newton’s father, Cecil Newton, has stated that his son has done nothing wrong.
"If Rogers tried to solicit money from Mississippi State, he did it on his own, without our knowledge," Cecil Newton told ESPN.com.
So what does that mean for Auburn? Well, as of now, nothing apparently.
Auburn head coach Gene Chizik stated Thursday night that Newton is eligible, and will remain eligible.
“Cameron Newton is eligible at Auburn University,” said Chizik during Auburn’s call-in show Thursday night. “Period. End of story.”
The Opelika-Auburn News quoted an anonymous source late Thursday night, saying that “there are no NCAA allegations against any member of Auburn’s coaching staff or anyone associated with Auburn in the recruitment of Cam Newton.” That speaks volumes as far as I’m concerned.
According to the reports, Auburn has known about this since July. If Auburn had any doubt that Newton was going to be ruled ineligible at any point during the 2010 season, they shouldn’t have – and wouldn’t have – played him.
Cam Newton’s father, Cecil Newton, said that he received a request from the NCAA for financial statements, which he provided for Holy Zion Center of Deliverance in Newnan, Ga., where he is pastor.
The church had been in jeopardy of being demolished for not being up to the city’s building code, but underwent renovations in the last year to rectify the situation. Could that mean that the church suddenly got an influx of cash? Well, maybe. But this report dated Sept. 23, 2009 from the Newnan (Ga.) Times-Herald states that the church already had the “money in hand” to renovate the church roughly two months before Auburn started recruiting Newton.
Was something shady going on during Cam Newton’s recruiting process? Sure. But that doesn’t necessarily implicate either Auburn or the Newton’s as the wrongdoer. As of now, the only person who is being implicated as a wrongdoer is Kenneth Rogers, who already is being investigated by the NFL Players Association for misrepresenting himself to players.
Before everyone goes crazy saying that Newton should never play football at any level ever again and that Auburn should be relegated to SMU status for the next decade, let’s see how this thing plays out for a little longer.
Barrett Sallee covers the SEC for www.CollegeFootballNews.com. He can be reached at barrettsallee@gmail.com, or on Twitter at @BarrettSallee
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:39 am to Auburntiger
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According to the reports, Auburn has known about this since July. If Auburn had any doubt that Newton was going to be ruled ineligible at any point during the 2010 season, they shouldn’t have – and wouldn’t have – played him.
I don't agree at all with that statement. Of course the Auburn perspective is even without him they'd still be where they are right now, because Malzhan builds his offense around the players he has.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:41 am to Auburntiger
There will be a story about how this story got out and why IMO. Also Rich McGlynn cleared Cam to play, that should tell everyone all they need to know. Auburn was told about this long ago and knew the NCAA was looking into this in July, if there were any wrong doings they'd have sat him the entire season as we didn't need another QB.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:41 am to Bubba Bexley
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I don't agree at all with that statement.
which part do you not agree with?
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Of course the Auburn perspective is even without him they'd still be where they are right now, because Malzhan builds his offense around the players he has.
I don't think most realistic Auburn fans would agree with this. I think most AU fans would say that this team would currently not be 9-0 without Cam...that is what I believe at least
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:50 am to Auburntiger
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which part do you not agree with?
The whole thing. If Auburn isn't involved, they still can't know for sure that none of allegations are true, so there would have to be at least some concern, unless they believed with 100% certainty the Newton family had no involvement with Rogers. In this day and age, I find it rather naive if Auburn did prior to a thorough investigation. Even with a little doubt, I think it was worth rolling the dice and playing him. If Auburn was involved, they had already committed the crime. If they weren't, they are just a victim of circumstance, but they may have to forfeit some games. I personally don't believe they would be in competition for the West right now without him, much less a NC, so worth playing him to me.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:52 am to Norantable
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pass to the left brah
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:53 am to I Love Bama
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:56 am to Bubba Bexley
Before we even go down the road of "Is Auburn involved", we have to go down the road of "Is Kenny Rogers associated with the Newton family", and before we go down that road we have to go down the road of "Did Kenny Rogers solicit money for Cam Newton to play football"?
If Kenny Rogers solicited money without the consent of the Newton family, which is somewhat plausible given his history of lying to current NFL players about his status to garner their business, Newton's eligibility won't be touched. That's the best case scenario and given the innocent until proven guilty mentality I have I'll wait for evidence to come out that Cecil Newton did business with Kenny Rogers regarding Cameron playing football before we go any farther.
Auburn is almost in the clear as of right now, the crosshairs of the investigation rest solely on Kenny Rogers. I don't think the church story has any merit FWIW.
If Kenny Rogers solicited money without the consent of the Newton family, which is somewhat plausible given his history of lying to current NFL players about his status to garner their business, Newton's eligibility won't be touched. That's the best case scenario and given the innocent until proven guilty mentality I have I'll wait for evidence to come out that Cecil Newton did business with Kenny Rogers regarding Cameron playing football before we go any farther.
Auburn is almost in the clear as of right now, the crosshairs of the investigation rest solely on Kenny Rogers. I don't think the church story has any merit FWIW.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:57 am to Ross
GUILTY!
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Posted on 11/5/10 at 8:03 am to Norantable
Well that certainly is the mentality of this board right now.
People actually think Auburn might get the death penalty, I'm kind of in shock to how they can go so far into speculation without realizing the investigation is solely on the eligibility of a player. As of now, worst case scenario, some games are vacated a year down the road. Obviously if the investigation widens, that worst case scenario gets much worse, but that hasn't happened yet.
People actually think Auburn might get the death penalty, I'm kind of in shock to how they can go so far into speculation without realizing the investigation is solely on the eligibility of a player. As of now, worst case scenario, some games are vacated a year down the road. Obviously if the investigation widens, that worst case scenario gets much worse, but that hasn't happened yet.
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Posted on 11/5/10 at 8:07 am to Ross
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Before we even go down the road of "Is Auburn involved"
I said "if they are involved" offering two different scenarios as to why I think the statement from the article is incorrect in assuming if Auburn was not certain there was no wrongdoing at any level, they would have held him out. Auburn is or isn't involved, and that has yet to be proven, as you say. I merely pointed out both sides of the coin...my point was if they were involved it would be foolish to not let him play. It would be similar to stealing something, say a laptop, then deciding not to use it because you stole it.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 8:12 am to Bubba Bexley
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It would be similar to stealing something, say a laptop, then deciding not to use it because you stole it.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 8:13 am to loweralabamatrojan
quote:we just want to go to the SEC Championship
I wouldn't get too excited. Herbie's jumped the gun before...
It amazes me how badly the non-Auburn people want this to be true.
On second thought, no it doesn't. Fans of teams who Auburn has beaten and/or will beat want to soften the blow by believing Newton is ineligible.
That makes sense.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 8:13 am to Auburntiger
red x
Posted on 11/5/10 at 8:16 am to Bubba Bexley
Lots of rumblings about this on sports radio in Knoxville. I would be getting a little worried if I were an Auburn fan. You may end up being winless for the season. I would still throw you a bone and invite you to the Meineke Car Care or something like that. It's only fair.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 8:18 am to Ross
I just don't see Auburn being implicated in this.
Regardless of if I think Auburn did or did not do anything wrong, I just don't see Auburn being careless enough to get pulled into it if they did. As far as Cam and his eligibility... that may be a different story, but I don't think the university will have any thing to worry about (outside of a few vacated wins and whatnot's).
On the other hand I am basing this, as most on here are, solely on gut feeling and have NO idea of what I am really talking about.
Regardless of if I think Auburn did or did not do anything wrong, I just don't see Auburn being careless enough to get pulled into it if they did. As far as Cam and his eligibility... that may be a different story, but I don't think the university will have any thing to worry about (outside of a few vacated wins and whatnot's).
On the other hand I am basing this, as most on here are, solely on gut feeling and have NO idea of what I am really talking about.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 8:19 am to genuineLSUtiger
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