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re: Bridge Schedules explained

Posted on 5/29/13 at 10:58 pm to
Posted by CrippleCreek
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 10:58 pm to
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I still don't have an answer to the practicality behind a 6-1-1 schedule...



that's because it doesn't exist. It's an untenable scheduling model that no sane person would ever chose. I'm sure it'll be around for the remainder of my life.

Even if you begin from the premise that it is valuable for the conference on some level to maintain the UT/Bama and AU/UGA games, the cons so heavily outweigh that single positive that it makes less than no sense to continue with the model.

Posted by Vlad The Inhaler
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 11:06 pm to
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Even if you begin from the premise that it is valuable for the conference on some level to maintain the UT/Bama and AU/UGA games, the cons so heavily outweigh that single positive that it makes less than no sense to continue with the model.


Agreed. Anecdotally, I have never known anyone who is a college football fan without a betting or rooting interest has tuned into either of those games for the sake of tradition. Similar to Iowa/Minnesota nationally. I've lived in CO, on the east coast, Louisiana, and West coast for more than 3 years in each place. The same is not true for Alabama/Auburn.

Effectively ending every other East/West rivalry in the conference outside crossover games is unconscionable to me.
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 11:07 pm
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 5/29/13 at 11:13 pm to
It's obvious some teams want to maintain their rivalries. It's obvious other teams want to rotate through the opposing division more quickly. The two are not mutually exclusive. Let those that want to drop their permanent cross division game do it and rotate more frequently while allowing those that want to continue rivalries to do so.
Posted by Vlad The Inhaler
Moose Jaw, SK
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 11:16 pm to
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It's obvious other teams want to rotate through the opposing division more quickly. The two are not mutually exclusive. Let those that want to drop their permanent cross division game do it and rotate more frequently while allowing those that want to continue rivalries to do so.



Agreed. Do what the Pac 12 does with the California schools.
Posted by sdmlsu1
up n dis bish
Member since Nov 2007
701 posts
Posted on 5/29/13 at 11:35 pm to
Same issue exist. Slive is worried about big picture. Big picture is good right now. Why crash the car that's not only getting you to the big race but most often winning it. Right now there are 2 slots up for grabs. As long as the SEC gets a slot each year all is good. When things change and there is 4 or 8 slots then the scheduling discrepancy will probably change to take full advantage of big picture.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29285 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 6:38 am to
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UGA and USC were coming off better seasons, but the shine from UF's recent NC's hadn't worn off yet. Can you honestly tell me as a A&M fan that you would've been more excited to see UGA or USC on your schedule than UF going into the '12 season?


Again. Stupid. "The shine"? This was a reason to justify all the crazy inequity? So Alabama HAD to play at Mizzou and Florida HAD to play at Texas A&M? This was literally the only option? Because of "the shine"? Do you really believe yourself? I seriously hope not.

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How do you continually manage to read something into what people write that's not even close to what was written? I stated in the OP that Bama, UGA, and Ole Miss all benefited from A&M/Mizzou cross-division selections. But here's what you don't seem to understand; just because certain teams benefited doesn't mean that the schedules were unfair or there was some sort of collusion because no matter what teams were selected to play A&M & Mizzou; certain teams were going to benefit while others were going to have something to gripe about.


Having more division home games than anyone else, if you believe in home field advantage, and statistically, it is a real phenomenon, then having more division home games, given that it is a tie breaker, is unfair. How you don't see this is beyond me.


quote:

I've never stated they were the only option. I've repeatedly stated they were the best option as deemed by the SEC.


I seriously hope you don't believe yourself. How old are you?
Posted by PepaSpray
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 5/30/13 at 7:24 am to
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Rotating opponents have been going on since '92 but the griping didn't start until Alabama started whipping arse on a regular basis...hence all the boohooing from BR.


That is the issue. When Bama kicks arse, everyone cries.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:05 am to
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That is the issue. When Bama kicks arse, everyone cries.


If you don't see the difference between the 5-2-1 schedule and the 6-1-1 then it's hopeless.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:05 am to
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I seriously hope you don't believe yourself. How old are you?


Old enough to carry on an adult discussion. You should try it sometime.
Posted by Sheetbend
Member since Apr 2013
1267 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 9:47 pm to
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Rotating opponents have been going on since '92 but the griping didn't start until Alabama started whipping arse on a regular basis...hence all the boohooing from BR.


According to Florida's coach Will Muschamp "At the end of the day, a 6-2 format is probably the fairest format -- if you want to be honest -- but I do enjoy the rivalry."

ESPN
This post was edited on 5/30/13 at 9:53 pm
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 10:11 pm to
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When things change and there is 4 or 8 slots then the scheduling discrepancy will probably change to take full advantage of big picture.

except that every single SOS indicator shows the SEC as a conference has the highest SOS ( RPI, Sagarin, GBE, ISR (it doesn't show it by conf but just look at the top SEC schools). There is no legitimate formula you can build that doesn't have us on top. And yet the harping continues. That's the problem when people make these demands on the SEC to improve their schedule - it's simply not based in reality.

The current model works. And it works because the SEC plays and wins more big OOC games than any other conference. Going to 9 will reduce those games and make the comparisons between conferences more arbitrary since there will be so few matchups. When you are destroying the competition it's not the best time to change the rules of the game.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29285 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 10:16 pm to
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Old enough to carry on an adult discussion. You should try it sometime.


I've tried. You only argument so far has been that Florida had more "shine" than Georgia, and that Alabama HAD to play at Mizzou instead of LSU or Arkansas. HAD to.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 10:28 pm to
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I've tried. You only argument so far has been that Florida had more "shine" than Georgia, and that Alabama HAD to play at Mizzou instead of LSU or Arkansas. HAD to.


That's exactly what I'm talking about. An adult doesn't feel the need to constantly misrepresent someone else's argument. NEVER once claimed Bama HAD to play Mizzou. I've acknowledged several times there were other options but the SEC chose that option.
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4765 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 11:24 pm to
The SEC could have welcomed the aggies and Mizzou to the SEC by letting them play the last two opponents in the SECCG.
Posted by Sheetbend
Member since Apr 2013
1267 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 11:39 pm to
In 2014, Bama will face its worst case senero in potential schedules

Tennessee & Florida or USC.

Who wants to bet they don't get Florida?

According to Florida fans on here, the Gators should have no problem with Bama, LSU, Georgia, USC, and Florida St. this year.

Complements of the permanent opponent rule.
This post was edited on 5/30/13 at 11:42 pm
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
32655 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 11:40 pm to
Posted by Sheetbend
Member since Apr 2013
1267 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 11:49 pm to
A Bama fan with no sympathy for Florida's killer schedule due to the permanent opponent rule--surprise surprise.
Posted by KPCrimson
Dothan, AL
Member since Jun 2008
2103 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 11:51 pm to
quote:

The SEC could have welcomed the aggies and Mizzou to the SEC by letting them play the last two opponents in the SECCG.
Instead they decided to have the defending national champs play Mizzou, and the last BCS champ not named Bama play A&M. Kinda makes sense.
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
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32655 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 11:52 pm to
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
33198 posts
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:16 am to
Didn't Sumlin basically state it was the fault of the new teams coming in, causing havoc with the new schedules?

I believe he did...

quote:

“We’re the new guys,” he said after emerging from meetings Tuesday at the Sandestin Beach Hilton, “so we kind of jacked up the schedules.”


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