re: Brian Kelly can’t say that he loves beating Georgia.

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As I said, evidence suggests that a coach who has never been in Elite in 31 years is not suddenly going to win a bunch of championships.

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He has been elite, comparatively.

He won national championships at Grand Valley State, took Cincinnati to 2 NY6 bowls, and had Notre Dame in the playoff conversation most years.

That's elite level for those programs.

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He has been elite, comparatively.

He won national championships at Grand Valley State, took Cincinnati to 2 NY6 bowls, and had Notre Dame in the playoff conversation most years.

That's elite level for those programs.

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As usual, wrong.

Grand Valley state is one of the most successful d 2 teams there is.

Cincinnati has been to two more NY6(including the playoffs) since he left.

And ND is one of the most elite teams in all of CFB history and he couldn't win a NC there.

Sorry to keep destroying your narrative over and over.

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As usual, wrong.

Grand Valley state is one of the most successful d 2 teams there is.

Cincinnati has been to two more NY6(including the playoffs) since he left.

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So Brian Kelly's accomplishments are at the top level of those programs yet you're claiming he wasn't "elite" at those programs?

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And ND is one of the most elite teams in all of CFB history and he couldn't win a NC there.

Sorry to keep destroying your narrative over and over.

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Notre Dame claims a lot of championships.

It's possible they would've claimed 2012 as well, provided the BCS doesn't exist like it didn't for the rest of their championships.

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Surely you can't be this dense?? Kelly didn't do anything that those programs haven't achieved without him. Therefore, not elite.

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Now you're saying ND is not an elite program?? Lol this is too easy

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Judging from these two comments, you don't know what the word "elite" means.

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But since Grand Valley State he's 1-7 in conference championship games, "BCS Bowl/NY6 games" and Playoff games. that 1 win was the MAC championship game in 2006 against Ohio while at Central Michigan. Ohio was a 5-loss team.

Those 7 losses were by 13, 28, 16, 27, 24, 17 and 20. None were particularly close.

Teams he coached but left prior to the bowls also lost by 27 and 2 at the end of his Cincy and ND stays in games of that level. If you include them he's 1-9, having lost 9 in a row.

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Which of those games should he have won?

The NY6 bowl games at Cincinnati? No one has ever won a NY6 bowl at Cincinnati. Hell, no one besides Luke Fickell or Kelly has even reached a NY6 bowl at Cincinnati.

2012 Alabama? No one beat them except the literal Heisman winner.

2018 Clemson? No one beat them, they beat Alabama just as bad as they did Notre Dame.

2020 Alabama? No one beat them.

2022 Georgia? No one beat them either.

So the argument is Brian Kelly can't beat teams that no one else beats either?

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Judging from these two comments, you don't know what the word "elite" means.

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Wrong as always so you change the subject. Classic

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Which of those games should he have won?

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The game Cincy played in the Orange bowl after the 2008 season was against a VT team that finished the year 19th and had 4 losses, including one to ECU.

Yes, that is a "should win" game. They were ranked ahead at game time.

In 2012 against Bama in the NCG, ND was the higher ranked team. (1 vs 2)

In the 2015/6 Fiesta bowl, ND was ranked 8th to OSU's 7th.

In the 2020 season, ND was ranked 2 to Clemson's 3 when they lost the ACC championship game.

Winning one or two of these games is expected of an elite coach. At least keeping some of them close would be a good sign. But Kelly got beaten pretty handily in all of them.

Kelly is a pretty good coach. He's not elite.

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Now you're saying ND is not an elite program??

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What makes them elite?

Let me see if I can assist you.

Your statement:

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Surely you can't be this dense?? Kelly didn't do anything that those programs haven't achieved without him. Therefore, not elite.

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Let's check the definition of "elite."

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a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.

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The top level of achievement at Grand Valley State is winning a national championship, only two coaches have done so. Those coaches would be considered the elite of Grand Valley football.

The top level of achievement at Cincinnati is appearing in a NY6 bowl game, only two coaches have done so. Those coaches would be considered the elite of Cincinnati football.

Brian Kelly was one of the two coaches at each stop to reach that top level of achievement.

Now I am quite sure you will find a way to deflect from being proven wrong (yet again) but at least I will have made an honest attempt to help you with your lack of understanding.

Cincinnati has been to the playoff, boss. The NY6 isn’t the highest level.