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re: Better Program: Mississippi State or Ole Miss
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:09 am to Tunica
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:09 am to Tunica
The feeling that MSU is still on par with those type of programs is a really big reason that State has been the better program for the past decade, and on par with their in state rival for a quarter of a century (it's not like you set the bar very high anyway since integration). Keep whistling past the graveyard, if it makes you feel better. State being awful before a complete shift in the college football landscape has zero to do with the state of the programs today and going forward, and a lot of people associated with your school still struggles to grasp that.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 10:11 am
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:14 am to peepingcrxxms
Argue until you're blue in the face, that still doesn't make my statement any less true.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:15 am to Tunica
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That assessment couldn't be any further from the truth. Frank Beamer won 10+ games 13 times from 1995-2011, Bill Snyder won 11 games 5 out of 6 years from 98-03. Mississippi State has won 10 games twice in a 113 year program history. Washington State is the closest comparison here, at least until the 90's with the emergence of Drew Bledsoe and Ryan Leaf in Pullman. Mike Leach's last 2-3 years is on par if not better than Mullen's strongest seasons in Starkville.
Frankly, the fact of the matter here is that State is one of the worst football schools in college football history. Tossed in with the likes of Indiana, Iowa State, Northwestern, Duke, and Wake Forest.
You speak as though Ole Miss has a closet full of 10 win seasons themselves. You have as many as MSU in the modern era.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:23 am to Drebin
I'm speaking on the comparison of Mississippi State to VT or Kansas State, which is just absolutely asinine. Again -- Duke, Wake Forest, Iowa State, Northwestern - like it or not, these are programs that MSU can compare to on a yearly basis and should do what they can to eventually inch out of the fraternity of runts. You can't argue with facts, man.
You just can't.
You just can't.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:23 am to Tunica
It also doesn't make your statement any less relevant to how good both programs are now or going forward. Would I trade history with OM football? Well yea. Does that mean your football program is better or can be better than ours now? No, it doesn't, and if you don't change a whole lot of things with your administration and the way you go about recruiting, you're going to continue to be below MSU as a program in the modern era just like you have been for a decade now.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 10:24 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:26 am to Tunica
That's just simply not true in this era of football. State is a better program than every single team on that list outside of VT right now and they have been for a decade. Go back and look at recruiting rankings for MSU and look at recruiting rankings for the other schools you have mentioned and tell me with a straight face that State doesn't have more potential than the others on that list. You can look at the records for the past decade as well if you'd like.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:33 am to Tunica
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I'm speaking on the comparison of Mississippi State to VT or Kansas State, which is just absolutely asinine. Again -- Duke, Wake Forest, Iowa State, Northwestern - like it or not, these are programs that MSU can compare to on a yearly basis and should do what they can to eventually inch out of the fraternity of runts. You can't argue with facts, man.
You just can't.
By your own logic, Ole Miss is in that same fraternity of runts.
The guy you're arguing with makes great points. The football landscape has changed dramatically in the last 10 years. Virtually all of the teams you mentioned would give their left nut to trade positions with State right now, or with just about anyone in the SEC.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:33 am to Tunica
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You can't argue with facts, man.
You can argue which facts are pertinent.
To you, all time wins are the decisive factor. So, to you, Harvard and Penn and better programs than LSU and Georgia and Auburn and Tennessee.. Utah and Army and Lehigh are better programs than Ole Miss. Facts, man.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:38 am to peepingcrxxms
The last decade has shown an even split while 3 of the last 4 have gone to OM amidst an NCAA probe. FWIW, I'd take Leach and the Cougars trajectory over State at the moment. We'll have an answer to the Kansas State topic here in a few months - a game that the Wildcats will be a touchdown favorite.
My point here is this, the comparison to Virginia Tech and Kansas State was laughable. Nothing more, nothing less.
My point here is this, the comparison to Virginia Tech and Kansas State was laughable. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:39 am to Tunica
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a game that the Wildcats will be a touchdown favorite.
You have totally lost all credibility at this point.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:44 am to Tunica
1.) Well the reason you had an NCAA probe was because you were signing kids you had no business signing, which gave you a huge advantage on game day. It's hilarious that you got into that much trouble and have so little to show for it. You also had a pretty big advantage this past year "accidentally" breaking our quarterback's leg.
2.) Leach and the cougars don't have the potential that State has. They have a ceiling due to the lack of athletes around them. They are solid though.
3.) Kansas State is not going to be a favorite in that game. You've lost your damn mind
2.) Leach and the cougars don't have the potential that State has. They have a ceiling due to the lack of athletes around them. They are solid though.
3.) Kansas State is not going to be a favorite in that game. You've lost your damn mind
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 10:46 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:51 am to Vecchio Cane
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To you, all time wins are the decisive factor. So, to you, Harvard and Penn and better programs than LSU and Georgia and Auburn and Tennessee.. Utah and Army and Lehigh are better programs than Ole Miss. Facts, man.
Yeah, but those teams haven't played no body Paaawwwllll!!!!!
All time wins would be a reasonable statistic to judge these two programs, because they have played similar schedules throughout the years.
Usually when two programs are compared side by side the main statistic they point to is head to head record.
At the end of the day you will never hear a fan of either team voice the opinion the other has a better program. If someone did, they would immediately be outcast and vehemently hated.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:53 am to Drebin
If you think State will be favored in Manhattan, you know absolutely nothing regarding point spreads. New coach on the road in Week 2 and Kansas State isn't necessarily an easy venue to play in. KSU is coming off an 8-5 year. I really hope you think this game will be a cakewalk. Fun fact: Bill Snyder has won 74 games since 2009. Dan Mullen, the best coach in program history throughout your best run in school history, won 69.
Man, these facts.. Where are they coming from? Where am I finding them?
Man, these facts.. Where are they coming from? Where am I finding them?
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 2:35 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:00 am to Tunica
Ok, well you're wrong. State will be favored. It won't be a cakewalk, but state has a lot more talent than K State. K State lost to Vanderbilt last year by the way. Bill Snyder is 100 years old and most want him to leave (maybe not most but the natives are getting worried). He's still got them competitive, but this is not 2010.
Also, K State plays in the Big 12, not the SEC. I would love to swap schedules and then compare records.
Also, K State plays in the Big 12, not the SEC. I would love to swap schedules and then compare records.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:04 am to Tunica
According to ESPN FPI, State is the favorite in 10 games. Alabama and Auburn are the only 2 that State isn't favored in
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:04 am to peepingcrxxms
quote:No they won't. That line will open up at K. State -3, IMO
State will be favored
quote:They also beat #10 Oklahoma St. in Stillwater.
K State lost to Vanderbilt last year by the way
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:06 am to Saskwatch
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All time wins would be a reasonable statistic to judge these two programs, because they have played similar schedules throughout the years.
Sure, but Tunica was comparing MSU to Duke and WF and Iowa St.
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At the end of the day you will never hear a fan of either team voice the opinion the other has a better program. If someone did, they would immediately be outcast and vehemently hated
Maybe, but anc and myself have both stated that OM has a better program. We're prolly hated & outcast anyway though
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:07 am to Tunica
Ok, well we will revisit this because you don't know what you're talking about. Vegas has State's win total at 8.5 and K State is not one they consider a loss.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:08 am to Tunica
They are also breaking in a new QB and we play them week 2. They lost their best WR and CB, and are extremely thin at LB. Their best strength is their O-line, but how much is that worth when you’re gonna be playing against one of the best Dlines in the conference. We’ll be favorites by gametime.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:09 am to peepingcrxxms
Bookmark it, doc.
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