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Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:43 pm to 3down10
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No, Henry did it before the bowl games/playoffs.
That 2000+ mark included his postseason stats. He broke the record in 12 games too, still more than Herschel. The ypg mark is still held by Herschel by quite a bit. Fournette is 2nd. Henry is 7th
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:45 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Herschel Walker, not close
Lots fighting for 2nd.
Lots fighting for 2nd.
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:49 pm to lsufball19
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That 2000+ mark included his postseason stats. He broke the record in 12 games too, still more than Herschel. The ypg mark is still held by Herschel by quite a bit. Fournette is 2nd. Henry is 7th
Walker set his record without playing a single team that finished ranked.
0 ranked teams.
ZERO.
Only 2 other SEC teams finished ranked that year, Alabama and Miss St and Georgia didn't play either of them.
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:50 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
I bet Errick/Ricky smoke more weed and got kicked out of the NFL more than any other running back in the Big 12 or the SEC
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:52 pm to Buster83
Spit mah drank when I read this!
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:54 pm to 3down10
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Georgia didn't playing a national championship game, they didn't exist back then.
Per se this is true. But (I am guessing you were not alive back then) everybody in the country that was football fans considered that game to determine the NC. Now, that might change according to the outcome. But everybody knew thta if Georgia won we would be crowned National Champions. In fact, you could go down the years and do the same thing.
You are correct, though in that there was no direct game titled The National Championship game. There were games that determined the National Championships, though and that was one of them.
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That year you played:
#7 Notre Dame
#14 South Carolina
#20 Florida
And that is of the time rankings. If you do final rankings, I think Notre Dame was the only team that finished ranked on your schedule.
And your point? Is it that we played an easy schedule? yes. We did. Are we the National Champions for the 1980 season? Yes. We are.
quote:That's silly, since you just pointed out three teams that were ranked when Georgia played them, therefore he played against ranked teams.
So Walker set his record without playing a single ranked team.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:56 pm to 3down10
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Walker set his record without playing a single team that finished ranked.
0 ranked teams.
ZERO.
Only 2 other SEC teams finished ranked that year, Alabama and Miss St and Georgia didn't play either of them.
Do you realize how stupid this argument is? Just because a team is ranked doesn't mean they had a great run defense, and just because a team was not ranked doesn't mean they had a bad run defense. You can try to rely on that argument all you want and it won't get any smarter.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:58 pm to DawgsLife
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Per se this is true. But (I am guessing you were not alive back then) everybody in the country that was football fans considered that game to determine the NC. Now, that might change according to the outcome. But everybody knew thta if Georgia won we would be crowned National Champions. In fact, you could go down the years and do the same thing.
You are correct, though in that there was no direct game titled The National Championship game. There were games that determined the National Championships, though and that was one of them.
You played the #7 team, it was not a #1 vs #2 game. Multiple bowl games were factors in the national championship. If Georgia lost, Notre Dame would not have been the national champion.
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And your point? Is it that we played an easy schedule? yes. We did. Are we the National Champions for the 1980 season? Yes. We are.
Henry put his yards up against many ranked teams with good defenses.
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That's silly, since you just pointed out three teams that were ranked when Georgia played them, therefore he played against ranked teams.
They were ranked at the time of the game. At the end of the year, only Notre Dame was ranked and that game isn't included in his stats.
So your only ranked win was against #9, Notre Dame.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:59 pm to llfshoals
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Herschel Walker, not close
Lots fighting for 2nd.
I want to agree with this. But taking off my red & Black glasses I think Bo Jackson has to be in the same category/conversation with Herschel.
They were both phenomenal, just as Derrick Henry and any number of RBs were. I just think Herschel and Bo were/are in a class of their own.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:00 pm to DawgsLife
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Do you realize how stupid this argument is? Just because a team is ranked doesn't mean they had a great run defense, and just because a team was not ranked doesn't mean they had a bad run defense. You can try to rely on that argument all you want and it won't get any smarter.
Georgia also had no passing offense whatsoever. Teams knew Walker was getting the ball every play and couldn’t do anything about it.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:02 pm to DawgsLife
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Do you realize how stupid this argument is? Just because a team is ranked doesn't mean they had a great run defense, and just because a team was not ranked doesn't mean they had a bad run defense. You can try to rely on that argument all you want and it won't get any smarter.
You're just making up "what if's" in response, and you aren't even offering anything to back it up. If they were great run defenses, then post it.
The fact of the matter is, none of the teams were good enough to get ranked at the end of the year.
10 of the defenses Derrick Henry faced were top50 defenses.
The schedule difficulties between the 2 are extreme.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:03 pm to 3down10
quote:Read my post again. You just repeated it. Congrats?
You played the #7 team, it was not a #1 vs #2 game. Multiple bowl games were factors in the national championship. If Georgia lost, Notre Dame would not have been the national champion.
quote:In an era in which teams throw the ball a whole lot more and can't focus on the run defense as much. Back then teams passed far less and defense focused more on the run. And Georgia was the epitome of Herschel right, Herschel left, Herschel up the middle. That was basically our entire defense. I haven't looked, but I would be willing to guess that Alabama when Henry played threw for twice as many yards as Georgia did.
Henry put his yards up against many ranked teams with good defenses.
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They were ranked at the time of the game.
Again you just repeated what I said. I said they were ranked at the time they played. Isn't that what playing against ranked teams means?
quote:And again simple English eludes you.
So your only ranked win was against #9, Notre Dame.
ETA
Let me explain it to you another way. back then (If I remember correctly) rankings did not include 25 teams like they do today. It was a top 20. Both Florida and South Carolin ended (after Bowl Games) with 4 losses. Lasts seaosn 4 teams with 4 losses ended up in the top 25.
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:06 pm to lsufball19
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Georgia also had no passing offense whatsoever. Teams knew Walker was getting the ball every play and couldn’t do anything about it.
Ok, so now were going to the "well the rest of the team sucked" bullshite arguments. In which the only person who should be considered for awards are players from UTEP.
Because it's not like Georgia wasn't built for the run, didn't get lineman that were best for rushing, and so on. It was 1980.
And if teams allowed Henry to get all those yards without focusing on him, well that's their own damn fault. Yet as I've already pointed out, Henry was facing better teams and better defenses.
But sure, Jake Coker was such an awesome QB, it allowed Derrick Henry to have success.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:10 pm to ArkTiger55
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Barry McKockiner
Known for starting extremely deep in the backfield and just tearing through the hole no matter the size.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:13 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Herschel.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:14 pm to DawgsLife
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In an era in which teams throw the ball a whole lot more and can't focus on the run defense as much. Back then teams passed far less and defense focused more on the run. And Georgia was the epitome of Herschel right, Herschel left, Herschel up the middle. That was basically our entire defense. I haven't looked, but I would be willing to guess that Alabama when Henry played threw for twice as many yards as Georgia did.
So your only argument is that Jake Coker makes Derrick Henry appear better than he really was?
Ok, I'm fine with you making that argument, people need some entertainment in their life.
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Again you just repeated what I said. I said they were ranked at the time they played. Isn't that what playing against ranked teams means?
No, if they were ranked at the time of the game and not at the end of the season, it means they were over ranked at the time of the game.
If you want to just look at before game rankings, then Alabama played 9 ranked teams. I haven't looked, but I doubt all 9 of them remained ranked by the end of the year.
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And again simple English eludes you.
ETA
Let me explain it to you another way. back then (If I remember correctly) rankings did not include 25 teams like they do today. It was a top 20. Both Florida and South Carolin ended (after Bowl Games) with 4 losses. Lasts seaosn 4 teams with 4 losses ended up in the top 25.
Let me explain it to you another way. The fact you're over here sweating if a team could have possibly been ranked between #20-#25 pretty much highlights you played a bullshite schedule.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:16 pm to 3down10
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Ok, so now were going to the "well the rest of the team sucked" bull shite arguments.
No. Our defense was really good. Lindsey Scott was a very good WR. But all you have to do is look at Georgia's statistics to see what other teams had to expect.
Buck Belue threw the ball 156 times all year. He averaged 14 passes a game.
Herschel ran the ball 274 times all year for an average of 24.9 times a game. (Herschel also caught some passes on the year. (7 I think)
So, you tell me. If you were a Defensive Coordinator would you prepare to stop the pass or the run?
Now I gave you our stats.....take the QBs when Derrick Henry played and tell me how many passes Alabama attempted per game. Alabama had a much more balanced offenses I would think, so defenses had to play you more honestly.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:20 pm to 3down10
quote:Again. Reading is fundamental. I have already said we played an easy schedule. That has nothing to do with how good or bad a teams run defense was. It also has nothing to do with teams running the ball a whole lot more then so they keyed on the run more.
highlights you played a bull shite schedule.
If you actually read my posts and stop being so defensive I could stop pointing out the times you are repeating what I have already said.
quote:No. But if a team has a balanced offensive attack isn't it common sense that defenses cannot stack up on the line? You do understand basic defensive philosophies, don't you? This is pee wee football stuff.
So your only argument is that Jake Coker makes Derrick Henry appear better than he really was?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:21 pm to 3down10
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Ok, so now were going to the "well the rest of the team sucked" bull shite arguments. In which the only person who should be considered for awards are players from UTEP.
Because it's not like Georgia wasn't built for the run, didn't get lineman that were best for rushing, and so on. It was 1980.
And if teams allowed Henry to get all those yards without focusing on him, well that's their own damn fault. Yet as I've already pointed out, Henry was facing better teams and better defenses.
But sure, Jake Coker was such an awesome QB, it allowed Derrick Henry to have success.
In the title game against Clemson, Coker threw for 335 yards.
In the Sugar Bowl against ND, Buck Belue threw for 7 yards.
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