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re: Best Running Back in SEC History?

Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:40 pm to
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
19427 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:40 pm to
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Cheaters or not, Alabama is a winner,

and according to everyone on this board "everyone cheats".

So, I don't get your point.



I’m not surprised that a gump doesn’t get somebody’s point.


I’m sure everybody cheats to a certain extent.

But when HC’s start calling your HC out for cheating it’s a big deal.

This doesn’t happen everyday.

List the times that college football HC’s called out other HC’s for cheating and paying players.


i.e.

Your little cheating POS HC is crying about another HC buying more players than he did.


Do you not see the irony here?


And please, continue to enjoy your success while you continue to feel you need to defend your cheating.

RTFU




Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60634 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:41 pm to
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He may be a sports icon but he is one troubled fellow


Was, I think. Pretty sure he underwent therapy and is doing fine now.
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
19001 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:43 pm to
Lol... Your best clip of Derrick Henry running against "8 in the box" is one where he goes untouched thanks to a set of Dodge Charger infused OL recruits?
Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
11750 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:51 pm to
Don’t think so. His book gave the impression that all his personalities had been blended and he was recovered. Since then there have been other incidents - apparently he has been accused of chasing a lady around a mall parking lot and threatening to kill her. He has also lied about his business success and his non existent college degree. It’s being said that a lot is more coming out about him. I admire his athletic ability but he has been a huge disappointment as a human being.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 3:53 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60634 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:56 pm to
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Don’t think so. His book gave the impression that all his personalities had been blended and he was recovered. Since then there have been other incidents - apparently he has been accused of chasing a lady around a mall parking lot and threatening to kill her. He has also lied about his business success and his non existent college degree. It’s being said that a lot is more coming out about him. I admire his athletic ability but he has been a huge disappointment as a human being.



Just looked it up and there have been no further incidents in the last 10 years.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30735 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 4:37 pm to
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Herschel should've won the Heisman as a freshman, Henry wasn't even the starter yet.


In the 3 years he was a starter, he failed to get as many yards as Henry did in his 1 season as a starter.

And Henry did it while having to split downs with passing. Which is probably why he broke the record in like 50 less carries.
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
18095 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 4:40 pm to
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Henry got fed a lot in 2015, and that's nice, but there were about 10 other RB's that year that would have performed better on Alabama's team.


What a fricking retard.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30735 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 4:43 pm to
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Henry got fed a lot in 2015, and that's nice, but there were about 10 other RB's that year that would have performed better on Alabama's team.

You take an objective stat, like yards per carry, and Henry wasn't even top 10 among RB's who got at least 200 carries.

He's done okay in the NFL, a league that doesn't build defenses to stop big running backs anymore, but he's not elite.



@ calling something an objective stat, and then not even remotely caring about SoS.

But I'd love to know what 10 other RB's would have broken Walkers single season rushing record that year. And he broke it on less carries, like many less carries.

Because I'm sure it's soooo much harder to rush against Pac teams than it is SEC teams. Objective?

As for "done okay in the NFL", there are only 8 backs in the entire history of the NFL to rush for more than 2000 yards in a season, and Henry is one of them.

He's a future hall of fame player.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 4:44 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
68653 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 4:47 pm to
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So he did nothing outside of football as far as major collegiate/professional sports goes?

If the Olympics and professional MMA fighting don’t count, sure. That you’re doubling down on this take is impressive. Well done
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
68653 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 4:49 pm to
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But I'd love to know what 10 other RB's would have broken Walkers single season rushing record that year.

Well Fournette did that year so there’s one
Posted by Pulpwood Patterson
Member since Dec 2017
1799 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 4:58 pm to
Walker had over 8000 yards in the NFL over 5000 in the USFL. Henry is already 28 and still doesn’t have 7000 yards. He’s never catching Emmitt Smith, another SEC back in NFL.

And again, why did Henry not start until into his 3rd season in the NFL. The point is Walker made a league. Do you think Bo Jackson or HW don’t start….wait they did start, first opportunity they had.

1 good year does not an all time RB make. And if he doesn’t show he can stay healthy he won’t be a feature back. The NFL spits out running backs by about 30 years old. So he better get while he can.

Henry has been on my FF roster for 3 years running. I like him. But he doesnt have the resume to be the best SEC RB in based on his college or his pros numbers.
Posted by Crimson77
Member since Dec 2019
788 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 5:01 pm to
It really just depends on how you look at it.

Best full career? Walker.
Best at their peak? Henry.

Bo was amazing and electric, probably has the best highlights of the group. But the overall resume doesn't stack up at all.

Low key the person nobody wants to talk about (primarily since he wasn't a RB) is Tebow. Heisman winner, three time finalist, two time champion. Holds the career rushing td record by a mile. Would be top 25 in career yards if you took out sacks and kneels.
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
18095 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 5:06 pm to
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1 good year does not an all time RB make


Good thing Henry had the most yards in back to back seasons then.

quote:

Walker had over 8000 yards in the NFL


It took Walker 11 years in the league to get those yards. Henry has nearly 7000 in half the time. Henry also has more rushing TD's (64) than Walker did in his whole career (61.)
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
68325 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 5:07 pm to
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Walker had over 8000 yards in the NFL over 5000 in the USFL. Henry is already 28 and still doesn’t have 7000 yards. He’s never catching Emmitt Smith, another SEC back in NFL.


I really couldn't care less about what they did in the pros as that's not the subject of the OP. I was simply remarking how foolish it is to include Herschel Walker's USFL years in the total when that's the minors compared to the NFL.

quote:

And again, why did Henry not start until into his 3rd season in the NFL.


I don't know and I don't care. That's not the topic of this thread.

quote:

1 good year does not an all time RB make.


Are we still talking about the NFL? If that's the case, Walker and Jackson don't even belong in this discussion either. They were both good in the NFL, but much of what is discussed about their careers is more about what could have been instead of what was. Neither of them are all-time great NFL running backs.

If we're talking about college again, tell that to Barry Sanders.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 5:09 pm
Posted by Pulpwood Patterson
Member since Dec 2017
1799 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 5:36 pm to
And you want to body gaze and create a completely subjective argument for a guy who had 1 good season in SEC play and your evidence seems to be of the “he looks awesome” variety, and you question the plethora of data that shows that Walker outperformed Henry, and was the player of his generation. And again Henry didn’t start his first two years in the NFL either. And don’t give me that better roster nonsense at AL because Jalen Hurts stated as a freshmen. If he was the best he would have played. So why did the GOAT not start Henry until partially into his Soph season In favor of TJ Yeldon who was an NFL also ran; and an The NFL staff who observed him every day sat him behind Demarco Murray for 2.5 years, when DM largely aged and injured himself out of the league?

Great players lift teams, Henry lifted Alabama for 1 year. He’s lifted The titans for 2-3 years to the tune of 1 trip past the divisional playoffs and he’s going into his 8th year.

And the not adjusting for the future is the same argument as saying Manny Machado is better than Joe DiMaggio. You have to take the era of play into consideration or the newest will always be the best. You can count on the fact in 20 years that Henry’s tape will be lesser than a player of 20 years of nutrition, stamina, strength conditioning.

You’re going to have to get comfortable that “best” is subjective no matter what data you apply to it, but the data that’s there supports Walker which is why he’s routinely presented as the greatest RB in college football history.

Having the best season ever doesn’t make you the best player ever.

Perhaps the fact that The Titans have one of the best OL in the league contributes to his yards. DM had 1300 yards behind that titans line 1 year prior to retirement.

And go look at starting NFL running backs in the NFL over 30. There’s no guarantee Henry sees 10k yards.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 5:46 pm
Posted by ClaimToFame
Member since Nov 2017
1754 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 5:38 pm to
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much as I’d like to put Henry as the best, I can’t. Herschel stands alone at the top

Finally, a bama fan who gets it.
Posted by ClaimToFame
Member since Nov 2017
1754 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 5:45 pm to
Derrick Henry sure did look impressive against:
Colorado State
Georgia State
Chattanooga
Florida Atlantic
Southern Miss
Western Carolina
Middle Tennessee St
Louisiana Monroe
Charleston Southern

It's a shame some teams schedule this many high schools.
Posted by Berry4Heisman
Orlando, FL
Member since Jan 2020
920 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 5:48 pm to
I’m not saying he deserves to be considered the best but Jamal Lewis is often under looked
Posted by Pulpwood Patterson
Member since Dec 2017
1799 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 5:56 pm to
Awesome 1 good season. Herschel 3.

TJ Yeldons backup by decision of coach Saban. If he’s the greatest SEC RB all time why wasn’t he the best RB on his team per Saban? And he wasn’t sitting behind Earl Campbell.

An aging DeMarco Murray’s backup with the Titans.
Posted by Berry4Heisman
Orlando, FL
Member since Jan 2020
920 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:04 pm to
I actually thought gurley was better in college he could just never stay healthy
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