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re: Bateman and Barnett on their reason for transferring from bama
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:48 am to tider04
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:48 am to tider04
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It's not hypocrisy. Nobody would blame Barnett for finishing the year and leaving. Nobody cared that Bateman and Cornwell finished the year and left. They didn't bail on their team mid-season. Barnett did, and that's where the issue is.
The proper comparison would be if Saban left LSU or the Dolphins 4 game into a season for a better coaching gig. That would be the same scenario that Barnett engaged in. Could you imagine the outcry? It would be brutal, and rightfully so. You don't quit midseason. Barnett was 1 play away from being the starter on a championship team. Heck, with the struggles passing Hurts had down the stretch, who's to say Barnett doesn't get another shot? He'll never know because he quit.
No, again it was reported that the ONLY reason Barnett left when he did, was because it helped him get his playing career started early:
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At first, Barnett thought he would finish the season with Alabama and then transfer. He assumed he would have to sit out the 2017 season and then have two years of eligibility remaining, but after his father did some research they learned he could be eligible a calendar year after withdrawing from classes. Leaving the team early in the season wasn't ideal, but by doing so it would potentially maximize his eligibility at a new school. After four games, Barnett finally made the decision to leave the program.
He only did it, because it benefited him to do so. If a head NFL coach could benefit by leaving mid-season, then you bet they would do it often. But that's not how it works. Barnett was all set to finish out the season, but found a better option. And I don't blame him, either. To do so would be nothing but PURE HYPOCRISY......
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:50 am to bamasgot13
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The culture he's talking about is how players today view themselves. Kids play AAU, Travel Ball, etc. If they don't like their role, they just leave and find another team. No one WORKS to change their role any more. They may work to improve their game, but I've seen too many times a kid just bail on a team b/c he either A) doesn't like his role, B) thinks he's better than the team, or C) thinks he will get more looks on a different team (more talent around him).
These kids grow up in this world where that happens often - team hopping - and they don't view it as "quitting". They view it as simply changing teams.
Football has turned into a much bigger business than when Saban was playing high school and college ball. Players make a lot more money at the next level and getting seen is paramount to getting to that point. If they evaluate their situation and feel like changing teams would be better for their career, then I see this no different than a coach evaluating what's best for his career and changing jobs. Barnett transferring mid-season is one thing, but Saban complains about transfers as a general principle. This isn't the first time this has happened. Other students transfer schools too if they think they will have a better educational opportunity elsewhere or going to another school will give them better connections in the field they wish to pursue. I don't see why football players should be viewed differently.
Maurice Smith is a great example. He fulfilled his commitment to Alabama by earning his degree. He decided it would be better for his career to follow Kirby Smart, his defensive coach, to UGA. Saban took it upon himself that he knew what was better for him more so than Maurice and his family did. That situation never should have come to that. It was handled poorly by Alabama's staff and Smith's mother. But I don't think Smith personally owed Saban or Alabama anything and definitely didn't deserve to have Saban try to tell him where he should or shouldn't be allowed to transfer just because it was an "SEC standard."
It's ultimately their life and their career choice. Saban just comes across as very petty and hypocritical when he bashes a kid for transferring.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:52 am to ConwayGamecock
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I guarantee you that if the Alabama job was struggling, if they weren't having as much success, then Saban would be out the door.
Saban's behavior is dependent on winning. The patience and acceptance of his actions would be totally different under a different coach and a different winning percentage. They (Bama Adm) sold out to Saban and now have to defend his actions.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:53 am to bamasgot13
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The culture he's talking about is how players today view themselves. Kids play AAU, Travel Ball, etc. If they don't like their role, they just leave and find another team. No one WORKS to change their role any more. They may work to improve their game, but I've seen too many times a kid just bail on a team b/c he either A) doesn't like his role, B) thinks he's better than the team, or C) thinks he will get more looks on a different team (more talent around him).
I'll try to find it but Cowherd had a great interview with a QB coach who talked about how entitled elite West Coast HS QBs are. They get coddled for years by coaches and their parents. They are handed everything and they usually come from an upper class background. They tear up 7 on 7s and camps because there is no pressure but the minute they have to earn or fight for their job, they can't handle it. Obviously there are exceptions but he said all that in a discussion about Barnett.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:56 am to tider04
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That's different than a 3-4 year commitment to a college sports team
I love this word "commitment." Players are expected to commit to their program but the head coach can decide they want to cut a player any given year. Their scholarships are not guaranteed for 4 years, so why should their commitment to the team be a 4 year commitment?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:01 pm to lsufball19
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I love this word "commitment." Players are expected to commit to their program but the head coach can decide they want to cut a player any given year. Their scholarships are not guaranteed for 4 years, so why should their commitment to the team be a 4 year commitment?
Actually, football scholarships are now good for 4 years. At least at Alabama and several other places. Seems like the NCAA may have made it across the board. When's the last time Bama "cut" a player? Seems like Saban is asking guys like Mo Smith, Barnett, etc not to leave but to be patient and wait their time.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:04 pm to ConwayGamecock
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No, again it was reported that the ONLY reason Barnett left when he did, was because it helped him get his playing career started early:
Of course that's why he left. He didn't give a rip about the players and coaches he'd been working with for the past 2 years, he just wanted to do what was best for him in the moment. At least guys like Bateman, Cornwell, Mo Smith, etc finished the season. Leaving mid-season is just middle-school girl bush-league type stuff. Which is why the media roasted him when he left, and rightfully so. It wasn't just Saban that called him out. Some of you have short memories.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:07 pm to tider04
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Seems like Saban is asking guys like Mo Smith, Barnett, etc not to leave but to be patient and wait their time.
I don't think it's that at all honestly. I think Saban knows they add quality depth to his team and doesn't want to have to make up for their loss. I think it has more to do with him than the players in those situations. If the players are unhappy and want to play elsewhere, he should just respect their stance and wish them well.I do not believe shitting on them in the media serves anyone.
It's ok for him to be upset about them leaving and voice his opinion to the player in private, but to call out a 19-20 year old kid in public is extremely petty.
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Actually, football scholarships are now good for 4 years.
IIRC their scholarships are now guaranteed, as of last year, as far as them being able to remain enrolled in school and their cost of attendance is covered. I do not believe they are guaranteed to remain on the football team. And I believe you are right, partially, this is a new SEC policy (and the rest of the P5), but it is not an NCAA policy. Per NCAA rules, scholarships are still not a 4 year guarantee.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:32 pm to ConwayGamecock
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The kid was a 5* prospect, and was told he should be a starting QB for a Power 5 Fb program, and lead it to great success, and move on to the NFL making millions.
Man, I have defended Barnett about as much as anybody and have said that had he been patient he'd have had a good chance to reclaim the position, but you can bet that Saban never guaranteed the guy that he'd be the starting QB. He still can be an NFL player, though, which is why I don't fault him for transferring when he did though it may have been a mistake for him. When Hurts was struggling at the end of the year, he might have regretted it.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:52 pm to lsufball19
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He fulfilled his commitment to Alabama by earning his degree
Ummm...no....I don't think you understand how it works
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But I don't think Smith personally owed Saban or Alabama anything and definitely didn't deserve to have Saban try to tell him where he should or shouldn't be allowed to transfer just because it was an "SEC standard."
...and again you don't the story. Smith wanted to go to Baylor then Miami both of which Saban blessed. When his Mom pitched him to UGA is when the problem started. Don't blame Saban for excercising Bama's rights under the current SEC rules.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:57 pm to Irons Puppet
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Saban's behavior is dependent on winning. The patience and acceptance of his actions would be totally different under a different coach and a different winning percentage. They (Bama Adm) sold out to Saban and now have to defend his actions.
Name one coach that your "pearl of wisdom" wouldn't apply to. Pal, you're "eat up with the Sabanitus"...he's made your arse quit! 
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:22 pm to 14&Counting
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Ummm...no....I don't think you understand how it works
why don't you tell me how you think it works
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:50 pm to coachcrisp
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Saban's behavior is dependent on winning. The patience and acceptance of his actions would be totally different under a different coach and a different winning percentage. They (Bama Adm) sold out to Saban and now have to defend his actions.
Name one coach that your "pearl of wisdom" wouldn't apply to. Pal, you're "eat up with the Sabanitus"...he's made your arse quit!
Bobby Knight, Bobby Petrino, Joe Paterno, Mike Leach (TT), and even Hugh Freeze. Saban could hit a player, screw an AD employee, lock a player in a shed, turn a blind eye to an assistant coaches misdeeds and hire hookers and Bama Fans would defend him.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 4:39 pm to Irons Puppet
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Saban's behavior is dependent on winning. The patience and acceptance of his actions would be totally different under a different coach and a different winning percentage. They (Bama Adm) sold out to Saban and now have to defend his actions.
Name one coach that your "pearl of wisdom" wouldn't apply to. Pal, you're "eat up with the Sabanitus"...he's made your arse quit!
Bobby Knight, Bobby Petrino, Joe Paterno, Mike Leach (TT), and even Hugh Freeze. Saban could hit a player, screw an AD employee, lock a player in a shed, turn a blind eye to an assistant coaches misdeeds and hire hookers and Bama Fans would defend him.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 5:00 pm to Irons Puppet
Calm down, man...you're stuttering 
Posted on 8/9/17 at 5:05 pm to coachcrisp
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Calm down, man...you're stuttering
I'm fine. I just love when you post and call a poster names because you can not present a good argument. Then when you are presented examples to a question you asked, you disappear.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 5:34 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:You ok?....calm down, man. There's no sense in getting that blood pressure up over a message board.
I'm fine. I just love when you post and call a poster names because you can not present a good argument. Then when you are presented examples to a question you asked, you disappear.
I'll leave you with this: Ever heard of Wimp Sanderson?...basketball icon at Alabama (most all-time wins; arena called "plaid palace" after him, etc.) . He got canned over the type of crap that you mentioned, but you claim as fact that you know that Saban wouldn't be terminated.
What you claim as fact is simply your opinion...and we all know what they say about opinions....and this one smells like that proverbial a-hole.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 5:42 pm to Irons Puppet
Why don't you calm down with the little brother shite. Never fails. You got it bad dude.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 5:49 pm to coachcrisp
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You ok?....calm down, man. There's no sense in getting that blood pressure up over a message board.
I'll leave you with this: Ever heard of Wimp Sanderson?...basketball icon at Alabama (most all-time wins; arena called "plaid palace" after him, etc.) . He got canned over the type of crap that you mentioned, but you claim as fact that you know that Saban wouldn't be terminated.
What you claim as fact is simply your opinion...and we all know what they say about opinions....and this one smells like that proverbial a-hole.
Thank you for the example of Whimp Sanderson (I had forgotten). What you failed to mention (a proof of my statement), was the fact that the Administration had knowledge of the affair and even of him striking her. He wasn't fired and she was just moved within the University. It wasn't until she filed a lawsuit did the School do anything. You remember how successful Whimp was at Bama? Then there was Mike Dubose, which his affair was also widely known. The SEC Championship saved his arse that year. Too bad Bama found their moral backbone after a 3-9 season.
Again, this stuff was talked about (sports radio) months before any action by the school. As successful as Saban has been, he is fire proof at Bama based on those examples.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 5:56 pm to Irons Puppet
Hell, I'd insist my wife, daughter, and Mom acquiesce to St. Nick were he to want it.
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