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re: Barnery Farrar, as made famous on draft night, is OUT
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:06 pm to GoRebsGo!
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:06 pm to GoRebsGo!
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The worst part of this whole saga is that it shows just how cottupt the NCAA is. Did Ole Miss cheat? Probably so. To what extent? There's the rub. We did no more really than any other school that wants to compete in the power five and there have been other schools that have done much worse. (Miami anyone? Louisville?) For what ever reason we will get probably get hammered while other institutions seem to get a slap on the wrist or a free pass. The inconsistancy is infuriating.
What is infuriating is how obtuse Ole Miss fans are. We all know players get impermissible benefits but what Ole Miss is doing and has done is different. This isnt a kid getting a grand from an agent or signing autographs for money. It is the coaching and administrative staff being involved in distributing payments. That is the difference. Your coach and AD are running a pay for play operation
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:09 pm to StopRobot
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How is everyone so sure it is Leo Lewis who is talking? Just curious.
They aren't. Regardless, it doesn't make paying a player just to commit any less stupid. I assume the possibility of the NCAA offering immunity against them never crossed their minds. Just negligence.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:11 pm to AshLSU
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:11 pm to StopRobot
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Your coach and AD are running a pay for play operation
Are you referring to the $16K of benefits uncovered so far
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:15 pm to CCTider
Leo Lewis was paid by 3 schools do don't be thankful just yet
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:16 pm to skirpnasty
Looking at it from the other side:
No alum base is going to get bent to the point of demanding action if a bigger name school beats them for a recruit. If Bama takes a 5* from Texas, the Aggie and Whorn ADs aren't going to get threatened from chapped alums. That sort of thing happens.
When a 5-6 win/year team with no tangible advantages comes in and takes, not only a recruit, but the #1 recruit away......well, the natives are going to get restless and pressure is going to build in some AD offices
No alum base is going to get bent to the point of demanding action if a bigger name school beats them for a recruit. If Bama takes a 5* from Texas, the Aggie and Whorn ADs aren't going to get threatened from chapped alums. That sort of thing happens.
When a 5-6 win/year team with no tangible advantages comes in and takes, not only a recruit, but the #1 recruit away......well, the natives are going to get restless and pressure is going to build in some AD offices
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:30 pm to StopRobot
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What is infuriating is how obtuse Ole Miss fans are. We all know players get impermissible benefits but what Ole Miss is doing and has done is different. This isnt a kid getting a grand from an agent or signing autographs for money. It is the coaching and administrative staff being involved in distributing payments. That is the difference. Your coach and AD are running a pay for play operation
See, it's not so different. Both are major violations, both should be punished. But I guess St. Nick didn't know a former player was acting as an intermediary between current players and agents. And btw, it was a bit more than a grand:
A defensive end for the Crimson Tide from 2007-10, Davis acted as a "concierge" between budding NFL draft picks, agents and financial advisers following his college career, five sources told Yahoo Sports. Davis signed with the Buffalo Bills as an undrafted free agent in 2011, but has not been on an NFL roster since being released in training camp prior to that season.
All told, the records show agents and financial advisers moved at least $45,550 to Davis between September 2011 and December 2012. During that same timeframe, records also show at least $12,700 in cash, airfare, living expenses or other receipts moving from Davis to the five players. In addition to that amount, Yahoo Sports also obtained a line-item invoice of 49 transactions from February 2013 that Davis emailed to Fluker's onetime financial adviser Hodge Brahmbhatt. Within the email, Davis listed $33,755 in expenditures under the subject line "D.J. Fluker Invoice."
That should be enough to negate at least one Natty am I right?
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:34 pm to Herm Edwards
Looks like Ole Miss shut the power off on Farrar....
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:39 pm to StopRobot
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Your coach and AD are running a pay for play operation
there has been no proof provided by the NCAA that this is true...and I have serious doubts whether or not you even know the motherfricking definition of the word obtuse, but it sounded good.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:44 pm to REBSontheRISE
Lack of Institutional Control will be applied to OM. Then add in the previous stuff from earlier and it doesn't bode well for the OM program.
At a minimum OM is looking at 2yr post season ban plus other stuff, like, reduction of scholarships and a lower limit of players on scholarship. (Like 75, down from the 85 over "x" amount of years). Freeze will be cut loose and finding a new coach will prove difficult. Jmo
At a minimum OM is looking at 2yr post season ban plus other stuff, like, reduction of scholarships and a lower limit of players on scholarship. (Like 75, down from the 85 over "x" amount of years). Freeze will be cut loose and finding a new coach will prove difficult. Jmo
Posted on 11/17/16 at 2:01 pm to partsman103
Is OM free and clear of the academic fraud investigation that got ULLA involved, and eventually sank D.Saunders?
That was 8-10 yr old stuff that was being investigated
That was 8-10 yr old stuff that was being investigated
Posted on 11/17/16 at 2:28 pm to StopRobot
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How is it a terrible precedent? Its not like the NCAA hasn't done stuff like this before
this is false. the ncaa has never granted immunity TO PLAYERS THAT SIGNED WITH OTHER SCHOOLS in exchange for incriminating testimony. the ncaa has granted immunity to current and former players on the team being investigated, and I found 3 examles of this. but what they are doing in this witch hunt against ole miss is indeed unprecedented....perhaps including the word 'obtuse' in your comment would have been more convincing.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 2:45 pm to skirpnasty
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If you were doing no more than "any other school who wants to compete" then your recruiting success wouldn't have spiked. If you're on the same level as everyone else, and stay on the same level as everyone else, that massive spike doesn't happen.
So MSU was shady when they had a ten win season? Cause Merlins is damn sure no Saban.
The reality is we had one stellar recruiting class that could be explained by other factors, and the rest of Freeze's classes have been higher than average, but not out of the range of possibilty for an SEC program. We got a few from the big boys and they got pissed. Don't forget, with the SEC Network and the cable money, we all have more funds to make improvements and make our institutions more attractive. You have, and we certainly have.
No rational Ole Miss fan thinks we will be a Bama, but it's not unrealistic to want to compete for the West every few years.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 2:48 pm to REBSontheRISE
Wrong. Lache Seastrunk was granted immunity to testify against Oregon.
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this is false. the ncaa has never granted immunity TO PLAYERS THAT SIGNED WITH OTHER SCHOOLS in exchange for incriminating testimony.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 2:53 pm to Gary Busey
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I always hear Ole Miss is fricked and something will happen in the next few weeks, then nothing happens but a bunch of rumors.
No fricker on here said it was a few weeks. They are STILL investigating shite that keeps coming up. The earliest this will be over is next spring. Try to keep up.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 2:59 pm to GoRebsGo!
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So which finger would this be?
T-Town Memoribillia
That is not the athletic dept
Posted on 11/17/16 at 3:02 pm to GoRebsGo!
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See, it's not so different.
Yes it is COMPLETELY different. The Alabama athletic department was never found to have been involved in it just like UGAs was not found to have been involved in Todd Gurleys or TAMU with Manziel
Posted on 11/17/16 at 3:05 pm to REBSontheRISE
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there has been no proof provided by the NCAA that this is true...and I have serious doubts whether or not you even know the motherfricking definition of the word obtuse, but it sounded good.
You have text messages between an administrator/coach directing payments to a player. That is proof and yeah obtuse is the perfect word
Posted on 11/17/16 at 3:08 pm to REBSontheRISE
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REBSontheRISE
What a great username for this situation
Posted on 11/17/16 at 3:09 pm to GoRebsGo!
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We did no more really than any other school that wants to compete in the power five
This is always my favorite deflection.
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