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re: Bama's Cam Robinson, Hootie Jones Arrested on Felony stolen handgun and drugs
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:32 am to CapstoneGrad06
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:32 am to CapstoneGrad06
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That implies a second chance. If that's the case, why shouldn't it be at Alabama.
Because it sets a precedent at Alabama that getting caught with drugs and a stolen weapon aren't going to get you in trouble if you're a star athlete. If you're cool with that, whatever.
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Which by their face value, he wouldn't be getting a second chance anywhere if they're not pleaded down.
Completely untrue.
NFL has plenty of felons.
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:32 am to TheCaterpillar
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Well if its pleaded down, I could understand. My post was assuming that the felony possession of a stolen firearm sticks. To be honest, he could be charged with a lot more shite than he already has. He better hope the DA goes the direction of pleading down as opposed to tacking on more.
Entirely my point. There's no real reason to assume he would be kicked off the team if it's pleaded down. If it's not, he's not getting a second chance anywhere. And all of this is a moot point.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:32 am to CapstoneGrad06
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That implies a second chance. If that's the case, why shouldn't it be at Alabama. Assuming the charges are pleaded down. Which by their face value, he wouldn't be getting a second chance anywhere if they're not pleaded down.
Both need some sense slapped into them.
People here love to bitch and moan about why so many college athletes constantly frick up. It's because people don't want them to be held accountable for their actions. Letting them skate on this with nothing but a few extra stadiums to run isn't acceptable.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:32 am to NFLSU
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Whether it's plead down or not, a gun is still a gun. Should never touch a collegiate field again.
Eh, I don't agree with that last part. I don't think he should play at Alabama again, but if the legal side is worked out I have no problem with him going somewhere else and starting over for a year.
This post was edited on 5/18/16 at 9:33 am
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:33 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Dude. Read the entire post. It was a response to someone suggesting he'll play somewhere else, just not Alabama. And have an NFL career. Clearly that suggests the poster sees a "second chance".
e.g. Isaiah Crowell
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:34 am to TheCaterpillar
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Because it sets a precedent at Alabama that getting caught with drugs and a stolen weapon aren't going to get you in trouble if you're a star athlete. If you're cool with that, whatever.
Completely fine with a misdemeanor. Not fine with a felony. But that wouldn't much matter, as he wouldn't be playing anywhere if the charges stick.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:36 am to TheCaterpillar
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This should just end their career at Alabama, or at least Cam Rob's.
Yes. That's what George was saying and I agree.
I also agree with George that's probably not going to be the case (particularly if the felony goes away) because Saban's been pretty consistent with giving second chances his entire career.
Can't say that I agree with some of his choices (see Pettway, DJ) but for some reason, he never calls me for advice......
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:36 am to CapstoneGrad06
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But that wouldn't much matter, as he wouldn't be playing anywhere if the charges stick.
This is very untrue.
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Completely fine with a misdemeanor. Not fine with a felony.
The crime still happened. He had controlled substance and a stolen firearm in his possession. Everyone knows this.
But like I said, if you're ok with that at Alabama, then whatever.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:38 am to JustGetItRight
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Yes. That's what George was saying and I agree. I also agree with George that's probably not going to be the case (particularly if the felony goes away) because Saban's been pretty consistent with giving second chances his entire career. Can't say that I agree with some of his choices (see Pettway, DJ) but for some reason, he never calls me for advice......
I know most non-Alabama people see the Saban philosophy as cynical and all about winning games, but after watching him for a decade I really do think he is sincere in his belief that kicking kids out does not help the kid. The Taylor situation strained my belief in that a bit, as he was not an Alabama kid. He didn't need our help. However, I really do think Saban thinks kicking most kids to the curb does nothing but send them back to the lifestyle that got them in trouble.
With that said, I think there are certain situations (this one, Geno's 2nd DUI, etc) in which you have to dole out the ultimate punishment. He isn't their parent, he isn't banishing them from their families. He runs an organization, and organizations don't tolerate their people making major mistakes or the same minor mistakes multiple times.
Just my 2 cents, like you said, he doesn't call me for advice.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:39 am to TheCaterpillar
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This is very untrue
Hard to play in prison. Either he's treated as a first time offender and pleaded down or he's not.
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The crime still happened. He had controlled substance and a stolen firearm in his possession. Everyone knows this.
But like I said, if you're ok with that at Alabama, then whatever.
Don't really give a shite about what it looks like. He's never been in trouble before. Sure there are first offenses that I would throw the kid under the bus for, but this isn't one of them.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:42 am to NFLSU
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Whether it's plead down or not, a gun is still a gun. Should never touch a collegiate field again.
You do realize that owning guns is a right guaranteed by the Constitution and not illegal, correct?
The real problem isn't the guns (other than one being stolen). It is that they chose to be armed while in the commission of other crimes.
If that's what you're saying, I generally agree (but not to the level of never playing anywhere again). If you're saying it simply because they own guns then well, you're just wrong.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
I think at some point you have to think of the other kids in your locker room for multiple reasons.
Do you want them to think that getting caught with a stolen gun and drugs is ok?
Do you want someone who carries handguns (stolen or not) and drugs together to be a mainstay in your locker room?
I don't think either kid is a bad person (although I don't know them), but they have been coddled for being stars their whole life. It might actually be good for them to get some reality and go to a smaller school to finish their career.
Again, this isn't the standard bullshite college kids get in trouble for. This is a stolen gun. That is a really, really big deal.
Do you want them to think that getting caught with a stolen gun and drugs is ok?
Do you want someone who carries handguns (stolen or not) and drugs together to be a mainstay in your locker room?
I don't think either kid is a bad person (although I don't know them), but they have been coddled for being stars their whole life. It might actually be good for them to get some reality and go to a smaller school to finish their career.
Again, this isn't the standard bullshite college kids get in trouble for. This is a stolen gun. That is a really, really big deal.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:44 am to TheCaterpillar
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Bama's Cam Robinson, Hootie Jones Arrested on Felony stolen handgun and drugs by TheCaterpillarI think at some point you have to think of the other kids in your locker room for multiple reasons. Do you want them to think that getting caught with a stolen gun and drugs is ok? Do you want someone who carries handguns (stolen or not) and drugs together to be a mainstay in your locker room? I don't think either kid is a bad person (although I don't know them), but they have been coddled for being stars their whole life. It might actually be good for them to get some reality and go to a smaller school to finish their career. Again, this isn't the standard bull shite college kids get in trouble for. This is a stolen gun. That is a really, really big deal.
Yea - that was my point. I'm ok with his philosophy that you aren't gonna boot a kid for a fight, 1st DUI, etc. But 2nd offenses or 1st offenses that rise to this kind of level........you just can't allow that to be seen as the sort of thing that can be tolerated and the person still be a member of the organization. At least in my opinion.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:44 am to TheCaterpillar
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I don't think either kid is a bad person (although I don't know them), but they have been coddled for being stars their whole life. It might actually be good for them to get some reality and go to a smaller school to finish their career.
Like you can look at this objectively anymore than I can. Lol.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:44 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Hard to play in prison. Either he's treated as a first time offender and pleaded down or he's not.
Even if the charge sticks, I doubt he gets prison. And even if he does get some prison, he’ll be in the NFL. There are plenty of guys in the league that have been to the big house. He plays the most coveted position outside of QB in the NFL and he's damn fricking good at it.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Just my 2 cents, like you said, he doesn't call me for advice.
College kids are prone to doing stupid things. Fights, DUIs, drugs, etc. These things happen and all deserve second chances.
Having an illegal gun while sitting in a public place smoking weed doesn't fall under the "normal" amount of stupid for a college student.
Like I said before. Both of these kids need some sense slapped into them before they actually do ruin their lives. A slap on the wrist isn't going to help them at all.
ETA: This doesn't mean Saban has to dismiss them, but if he doesn't, they both better face a serious suspension.
This post was edited on 5/18/16 at 9:47 am
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:46 am to TheCaterpillar
Unless there is more to this story than what is being reported, my very educated guess is he bought/was given the gun from somebody and had no idea it was stolen (which is not a defense for the charge, but would 100% be taken into account in deciding how to apply the charge). Unless he literally stole the gun or knew it was stolen he isn't going to actually go to jail. I can't imagine that happening.
This post was edited on 5/18/16 at 9:47 am
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:47 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Like you can look at this objectively anymore than I can. Lol.
Man, I really don't give a frick if Bama has him at LT.
I'm sure you have some 5* NFL LT behind him. I honestly think I'd say the same thing if this happened at LSU. Stolen guns aren't ok. Stolen guns combined drugs (could be additional felony) trespassing in a public park with your teammate is reallllllllllllly not ok.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:48 am to RB10
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College kids are prone to doing stupid things. Fights, DUIs, drugs, etc. These things happen and all deserve second chances. Having an illegal gun while sitting in a public place smoking weed doesn't fall under the "normal" amount of stupid for a college student. Like I said before. Both of these kids need some sense slapped into them before they actually do ruin their lives. A slap on the wrist isn't going to help them at all.
Yea, that's my loose discipline code.
Stupid college kid first offense (drugs, fights, DUI) - internal punishment, game suspension, whatever you think is best. Don't kick to the curb.
Stupid college kid repeat offense OR major offense - see ya later.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:49 am to TheCaterpillar
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Stolen guns aren't ok. Stolen guns combined drugs (could be additional felony) trespassing in a public park with your teammate is reallllllllllllly not ok.
If that's truly what happened. Then, yes.
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