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re: Auburn Fans: Maybe Clemson's Defense Was Just that good?
Posted on 9/11/17 at 3:39 pm to Monticello
Posted on 9/11/17 at 3:39 pm to Monticello
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AU has good HB's, but where is the NFL caliber talent at WR, TE, OL, QB?
I think we have about the same success at putting these positions (WR, TE, OL, and QB) in the NFL the last couple of years as Bama has.
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 3:50 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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Auburn Fans: Maybe Clemson's Defense Was Just that good?
Clemson's defense is extremely good. When you filter out the plays that Clemson players just did a great job, there are some inexcusable execution by Auburn
- Auburn OL regularly didn't recognize twists nor blitzers. Multiple plays OL would double team a DL and watch a blitzer go unmolested
- Auburn had a high success rate on short to intermediate "quick" passes, didn't stick with it consistently
- Auburn's routes often bunched together
- AUburn regularly ran 3 routes or fewer
- Auburn RBs regularly are open in teh flats but aren't targeted + don't even turn looking for the ball
Posted on 9/11/17 at 3:54 pm to i am dan
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I think we have about the same success at putting these positions (WR, TE, OL, and QB) in the NFL the last couple of years as Bama has
I'm not sure. QB for sure. AU has Cam and Bama has AJ. You win in the NFL there.
WR - Julio and Amari are both top 10 at their position. Bama also has Kevin Norwood and DeAndrew White that keep hanging on in the NFL. We added Stewart this past year. Not sure AU's NFL success, but I'd imagine it's more like Norwood, White, and Stewart than it is Julio and Amari.
TE - Who is AU's guy in the league? Drafted as high as OJ Howard?
OL - Don't have a desire to get into it, but it's at best a wash.
All that said, this is an AU's O isn't that good thread, not a compare Bama vs AU in the NFL thread.
AU's D is legit. Very impressive. Fast to the ball. Your O is proof positive that you have a Gus problem and it likely won't go away as long as you continue to have a Jay Jacobs problem.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:01 pm to bamasgot13
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TE - Who is AU's guy in the league? Drafted as high as OJ Howard?
Uzomah, drafted in the 5th round.. nowhere near Howard.
You see my point though.. we have talent apparently. We do have the best defense we've had overall in probably 10 years. Offense is just messed up.
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All that said, this is an AU's O isn't that good thread, not a compare Bama vs AU in the NFL thread.
Bama is apparently the gold standard. Just gauging how far off Auburn is.
This post was edited on 9/11/17 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:11 pm to Monticello
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Gus has not only struggled as a playcaller, but also as a talent developer
That's debatable on developer. He's had a reasonable amount of success given the number of guys he has put on All SEC teams + made the NFL
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AU has good HB's, but where is the NFL caliber talent at
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WR
WR- Gus has 3 WRs in the league, should have been 4 if Duke Williams was nutso . That isn't bad at all
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TE
We typically use a FB not a TE but we have one of each in NFL from Gus
TE & H-Back/FB - We have 2 in the NFL in CJ Uzomah (RD5) and FB Jay Prosch (RD6)
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OL
Gus has 2 OT drafted in RD 1-3 + a few other OL who made rosters. We also have Braden Smith expected to be drafted
This year though we are rough breaking in 3 new starters at LT/RT/LG
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QB
Ignoring Nick Marshall who was clearly legit, we've sucked and it was our achilles heal past two seasons
This post was edited on 9/11/17 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:12 pm to GenesChin
"- Auburn OL regularly didn't recognize twists nor blitzers. Multiple plays OL would double team a DL and watch a blitzer go unmolested "
This is indicative of a team that usually practices running. It is going to take a smart QB to beat Clemson. They blitz a bunch (sometimes as many as 6) and you can watch as soon as the ball is hiked the LBs are rushing for the LOS. This is their entire defense. Press and Blitz (disguised). I am starting to see how NC State put a scare in them last year. If someone does beat them it will have to be with 10+yd slants and deep routes.
This is indicative of a team that usually practices running. It is going to take a smart QB to beat Clemson. They blitz a bunch (sometimes as many as 6) and you can watch as soon as the ball is hiked the LBs are rushing for the LOS. This is their entire defense. Press and Blitz (disguised). I am starting to see how NC State put a scare in them last year. If someone does beat them it will have to be with 10+yd slants and deep routes.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:14 pm to smoker68
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This is indicative of a team that usually practices running
It's also indicative of an OL that changed protection schemes with the new OC
We switched to slide protection in the pass game when Chip Kelly came. It is clear our guys aren't taking well to the new scheme
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:17 pm to TIGERSPIKE
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that AU doesn't have talent at WR to get open. they are not being in a position to succeed.
While this is part of it, Auburn WRs never were able to fight through jams and ran some extremely lazy routes
I watched a 6'6 230LB TE/WR get jamed by a 5'10 CB. That should never happen
Also, there is an art to running yourself open. None of our guys look technically refined on double moves, sharp cuts, route depth and other key things
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:20 pm to GenesChin
Touche. I saw issues with the lanes in AUs first game and thought this may be a problem with Clemson. A pocket passer with a run OL is a recipe for 11 sacks. Although the QB owned at least half of those. Does he not know how to throw the ball out of bounds.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:30 pm to smoker68
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A pocket passer with a run OL is a recipe for 11 sacks.
Ya, we should be expected to give up more sacks w a pocket passer, but even last year with Sean White this didn't happen. It really is two things
1- New OTs: Both got beat on 1 on 1 v DE 3-4 times each. It was ugly, as expected considering our LT was a DE 2 years ago and new to FB
2- Protections: Our protections were just wrong. Not in a "we aren't good at them" way but a "we just didn't know because they are new" way
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Does he not know how to throw the ball out of bounds.
No, neither do any of Gus Malzahn's previous QBs either
This post was edited on 9/11/17 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:38 pm to GenesChin
Agreed but if you are running almost 70% of the time, what are the chances they get much better at pass blocking. AU gave up 3 sacks to GS. That is insane. This will continue to be a problem for AU as long as the playbook and Offense coordinator stays the same. Unless you have a running QB on the bench and the OL jells a bit.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:39 pm to GenesChin
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Ignoring Nick Marshall who was clearly legit, we've sucked and it was our achilles heal past two seasons
You're speaking of QBs here. Serious question - and I don't want AU play as much as you guys do, so I genuinely don't know - but has the AU offense looked smooth and efficient outside of a QB who is a legit run threat like Marshall? I remember Nick and Cam making play after play with their legs when things broke down and, ultimately with their arms as the safeties had to come up/stay home to respect the run, but I don't remember a play call that the QB executed that was just "wow".
My point, I think AU's O has been successful in spite of Gus' play-calling, not because of it and I think without a QB who can overcome Gus' predictability (i.e. Nick or Cam), it doesn't seem to function very smoothly. Am I wrong?
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:45 pm to bamasgot13
Is this not what Bama is doing as well?
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:55 pm to smoker68
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Is this not what Bama is doing as well?
Biggest plays on broken plays? Not in my view.
Bama has most of their success on running plays. They have success on bubbles and tunnels where the WRs make plays. Calvin Ridley creates separation and makes plays. Certainly they've had some plays where the QB bailed them out of a bad play call or bad play by the OL, but their success is not dependent like it seems AU's is at the moment.
That's not a knock on AU or the personnel. it's entirely an indictment on Gus, his play-calling, and his predictability. He can't help but call some unnecessarily complex play like the whirly bird last year and the reverse flea flicker on Saturday. He should be feeding Pettway b/t tackles and using play action, but he just can't help himself b/c he wants so much to be thought of as an offensive genius.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:57 pm to bamasgot13
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but has the AU offense looked smooth and efficient outside of a QB who is a legit run threat like Marshall?
A little more complex that just "legit run threat." Gus' pass game is heavily focused on downfield passing to stretch the field. We haven't had a competent downfield thrower in any Gus year except Marshall/Newton
Just look at SEan White, we looked pretty good with him running the offense. The limitation was our lack of downfield throwing to keep the safeties / CBs stretched and distracted
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I think AU's O has been successful in spite of Gus' play-calling
I sort of disagree, when he is able to stretch the field his offense looks great when he is calling the play
When Gus doesn't have the stretch he needs though, he is a garbage playcaller
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:00 pm to bamasgot13
I meant the play predictability. The difference is Bama has better athletes than everyone. Ridley will beat a press defense all week long.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:04 pm to CU_Tigers4life
Clemson probably did face the best d they will see all year. Auburn didn't.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:04 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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picnic button
First time I have seen that reference outside of Twitch.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:07 pm to smoker68
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Agreed but if you are running almost 70% of the time,
Except our designed pass vs run plays aren't 30% P / 70% R
vs GSU: 55% R / 45% Designed Pass while Stidham was in blowout game
vs Clem: 30% R / 70% Designed Pass despite never being down more than a score
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AU gave up 3 sacks to GS.
With new pass protections, an OT in his first ever game + new to football, and 3 new starters on OL
Ya, it shouldn't have happened, but it isn't shocking
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This will continue to be a problem for AU as long as the playbook and Offense coordinator stays the same
Except the passing playbook / offensive coordinator has changed drastically in favor of a passing game
You clearly don't know much about the changes made at Auburn this year
This post was edited on 9/11/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:08 pm to Dawgfan128
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Clemson probably did face the best d they will see all year. Auburn didn't.
You think Bama's defense is better than CLemson's?
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