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re: At how many of your schools is 13-10 in the SEC acceptable?

Posted on 11/23/15 at 6:20 pm to
Posted by AU86
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 6:20 pm to
Well we are 2-8 over the last 10 SEC games. That seems to be ok with most of our fans.
Posted by Asharad
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 6:27 pm to
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You're fricking embarrassing. Cherry picking years is for auburn.


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Well we are 2-8 over the last 10 SEC games


Perfect timing.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 6:36 pm to
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You're fricking embarrassing. Cherry picking years is for auburn.


So, to clarify, you think Les' SEC record in 2005 and 2006 is just as relevant as his SEC record in 2014 and 2015?
Posted by Sid E Walker
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 6:44 pm to
Now you're bookending cherrypicking.
Posted by Ingloriousbastard
Member since May 2015
917 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 6:47 pm to
13-11. I keep hearing you people say this. What arbitrary period are we talking here?
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 6:48 pm to
Saban was 14-10 in conference play at MSU, right before LSU hired him.
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 6:50 pm to
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13-11. I keep hearing you people say this. What arbitrary period are we talking here?
The OP said 2013-2015 SEC opponents. The only way to get 13-11 is to forfeit a future game.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 6:54 pm to
13-10 sorry
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
44836 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 6:58 pm to
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At Tennessee, it wouldn't have been good enough under Fulmer but it's an improvement now from where they've been. Obviously, they still have to build on that.


We fired Fulmer after he'd just went to the SECCG the year before. And while our fans will point to various things, I think it ultimately came down to fans were tired of him. Bored because he'd been there too long. Bored because we knew all the plays as well as the players and bored because we knew the defense just as well. IMO, it was a mistake to fire Fulmer when we did and a mistake we compounded with Kiffin and Dooley but at the same time after 17 years of the same coach it was almost inevitable that we'd make that mistake. We are only now looking at climbing our way back to where we were with a down year with Phil.

The funny thing is that we are already starting to get spoiled again. The mountaintop is a few steps away, we can see it, and we're mad that a team full of freshman and sophomores with its best defensive player out and our 3 top WRs out and a patchwork OL lost in overtime against OU, by 1 pt to UF at the Swamp to a juiced up Grier at QB and by 5 pts to Bama at Bryant Denny.

It's all about perspective. I don't think 13-11 is acceptable for any Big 6 school but I also don't think it's as easy to replace coaches as many think, especially not a Championship coach like Les or Fulmer.
Posted by Asharad
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:05 pm to
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We fired Fulmer after he'd just went to the SECCG the year before.
He had 2 losing seasons in 4 years.
Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
19268 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:37 pm to
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this movement to fire Coach Miles is purely driven by emotion.There has been very little logic inserted into any of the arguments that I have heard
I've been a Miles hater for years. I've dreaded watching the misuse of talent, lack of fundamentals, inability to manage a clock, unawareness of timeout strategy, ineptness of QB development, the plethora of penalties, mystical play calling and design, predictability from formations, lack of creativity to maximize talent, making a first down an elusive stat, difficulty in getting a play called, etc. etc. etc. And none of that cropped up only in the last year or two. I've been watching that nonsense since he got here. Sometimes the silliness worked, but it never distracted from these incompetencies of the Miles era.

His two best teams, 2007 and 2011, were awful at times. The 2007 squad dropped two games in inexplicable fashion and he only got a shot at the title because it was a fluke year for all of college football. His 2011 team had an amazing defense that allowed his offense to flourish late in games, but I also saw games that season where first-half production was non-existent in embarrassing fashion.

Is that logical enough for you?

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Let the man finish the season, evaluate his performance logically and then make your decision.
Yet, I can't argue with that. I know keeping the guy for the rest of the season will only produce more of the same inconsistency and mystery. But, I think your statement is fair. I honestly wish Miles would resign and save our program from soiling itself by being undignified in its divorce from him.

Posted by Calvin Candie
The Cleopatra Club
Member since Dec 2014
485 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:41 pm to
Who brags about being 13th place?
Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
19268 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 7:43 pm to
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Saban was 14-10 in conference play at MSU, right before LSU hired him.
I hated the Saban hire at the time, and declared him a failure when he lost to UAB.

Saban at MSU had an almost identical record as Dinardo at LSU, and lost their head-to-head match-up.

I saw it as a lateral hire. I was obviously wrong, which only shows what a roll of the dice a coaching hire can be.

I was thrilled the morning I woke up to the "Miles to Michigan" report on ESPN the day of the SEC title game in 2007. I called a buddy of mine to celebrate his departure. Little did I foresee that by the end of that day, we'd be playing for a national title and would "have a great day."

College football is crazy, and that's why I like it, win or lose.
Posted by WasteMgmt
Boulder, CO
Member since Oct 2012
72 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 8:10 pm to
The Tennessee fan makes a good point. They have been wandering the wilderness for the better part of a decade now. Is that what you jackasses want for LSU? Because there is a strong chance that is what happens if you fire a great coach. Other coaches will see what you did and want no part of your knee jerk reaction, shitty school.
Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
19268 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 8:15 pm to
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Other coaches will see what you did and want no part of your knee jerk reaction
A good coach will recognize a great opportunity, not worry about how they might be fired if they frick up. However, the coaching fraternity is a real thing, so LSU's admin should be careful in how professionally they handle this.
Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
19268 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 8:16 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 8:17 pm
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 8:22 pm to
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"how many of your schools thing losing 5 straight to bama acceptable?" that is the root of all of this.


It's definitely a problem, but not the root of all of it. Finishing 94th or lower on offense six out of seven years is part of it. Being a combined 5-5 vs. Ole Miss, Arky and Auburn under their current coaches is part of it. In the last four years, he has not won a single game as an underdog, and has lost six times as a favorite. It's not just Alabama he's not beating.

He is almost a carbon copy of Charles McClendon. When we got rid of Mac, the program did better over the next nine years than it had in his last nine. That was even after the coach we hired to take his place was killed in a plane crash before he ever coached a game, leaving us frantically having to find a replacement in Jerry Stovall.

Miles, like McClendon, will go down as one of the great coaches for LSU, but it's time to say goodbye. He's had more than ample opportunity to show that he could be flexible and change his offensive style, and he has steadfastly refused to do so. He is reaping what he sowed with his stubborn refusal to admit that it's not the 1970s any more.
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
6028 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 1:55 am to
Here is the 3-year SEC conference tally.

21-3 Saban
16-8 Richt
15-9 Pinkel
14-10 Mcelwain/Champ
14-10 Miles
14-10 Freeze
13-11 Malzahn
13-11 Mullen
11-13 Sumlin
10-14 Elliott/Spurrier
10-14 Jones
7-17 Bielema
6-18 Mason/Franklin
4-20 Stoops
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