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re: As The Plains Burn II: FBI arrests Auburn's Assist basketball coach
Posted on 9/27/17 at 4:37 pm to LovetheLord
Posted on 9/27/17 at 4:37 pm to LovetheLord
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Why the heck is the FBI even involved in this? It's completely out of their jurisdiction. This is college athletics. There is an enforcement body for it. I don't like Auburn, but this doesn't seem right.
The FBI doesn't give a flying frick about NCAA rules violations. They're in it because the Addidas people were committing numerous federal crimes by cooking their books, bribing coaches, and engaging in activities that come VERY close to human trafficking.
The NCAA issues are just fallout from those larger crimes.
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 4:40 pm to JasonMason
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So this doesn't become a thing if the FBI isn't involved right?? This hasn't exactly been a secret in college basketball recruiting with the involvement of the shoe companies. The NCAA is as complicit as anyone. They made zero effort to clean it up.
In their defense, it is damned hard to catch without legal powers. The FBI got the info through court ordered wiretaps and undercover, wired informants.
The NCAA simply doesn't have that authority so they've got to rely on people doing really stupid things like sending texts and making calls on their school issued phones.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 4:41 pm to JustGetItRight
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In their defense, it is damned hard to catch without legal powers. The FBI got the info through court ordered wiretaps and undercover, wired informants.
The NCAA simply doesn't have that authority so they've got to rely on people doing really stupid things like sending texts and making calls on their school issued phones.
While I agree you are right about the NCAA not having the authority in a legal sense, they knew how the game was being played. It wasn't exactly a secret. I feel like they could have made the process more difficult if they wanted.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 4:47 pm to BamaFan365
The interesting thing about the Auburn situation is it seems totally unrelated to the shoe company scandal. At this stage of the game this is AU's associate head coach paying cash and gifts to 2 players and their families in exchange for their promise to sign with a financial adviser after they go pro. It still puts AU in deep shite. It's basically the Reggie Bush situation except it was an Auburn coach facilitating the payments rather than the agent. (Which makes it worse for AU).
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:30 pm to Monticello
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Auburn situation is it seems totally unrelated to the shoe company scandal.
It's because we had a coach who needed money quickly. He fell itno the FBI's lap
Other thing of note, Player 1 is being reported as Austin Wiley when it is in fact Mustapha Heron
These following descriptions match Heron and not Wiley
-Having stepfather
-Having sisters
-Eligible for 2017 draft but not declaring
-Player for NYC Madison Square Garden Game
-Mother + Stepfatehr meeting in NYC (Heron from CT)
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:40 pm to GenesChin
Update to OP: FBI has established a tip line for NCAA corruption, number listed in OP
Ready, Set, Go
Ready, Set, Go
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:51 pm to Pigfeet
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Update to OP: FBI has established a tip line for NCAA corruption, number listed in OP
Big mistake by the FBI. Should have let the NCAA do that then have them forward anything relevant
About to get a lot of jilted fans
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:54 pm to GenesChin
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Big mistake by the FBI. Should have let the NCAA do that then have them forward anything relevant
About to get a lot of jilted fans
The crap they are going to have to wade through
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:58 pm to GenesChin
quote:Correct.
These following descriptions match Heron and not Wiley
-Having stepfather
-Having sisters
-Eligible for 2017 draft but not declaring
-Player for NYC Madison Square Garden Game
quote:I thought Person and CW1 met with them at Person's house.
Mother + Stepfatehr meeting in NYC (Heron from CT)
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:59 pm to PearlJam
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I thought Person and CW1 met with them at Person's house.
First meeting happened in NYC
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:59 pm to BamaFan365
The FBI fell into this through something else and the only reason they are pursuing is because there are some big big fish that are involved... assistant Bball coaches are not big fish.
NCAA officials would be big fish
Big Shoe company execs would be big fish
Mob involvement would be big fish
Me -- I just want to play some football!
NCAA officials would be big fish
Big Shoe company execs would be big fish
Mob involvement would be big fish
Me -- I just want to play some football!
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:59 pm to Pigfeet
The reality is, we should all be nervous to varying degrees. Hell, if you are a fan of any P5 basketball team or high mid-major, you should worry. The good news is too many were involved for all of them to be punished or the NCAA tourney will consist of the Ivy League and the Horizon Conference head to head. The real loser in this: the NCAA. They are standing there with their dick in their hand and a sheepish grin on their face. Everyone knew this was standard operating procedure in basketball recruiting and has been for years. But the NCAA’s biggest moneymaker is the Dance so do they want to clean up the sport if it means nailing some of the best, highest profile schools to the wall? Hell no! Can you say conflict of interest? So now the Feds have stepped in and the NCAA looks stupid, corrupt, complicit and impotent all at once. This may actually be the end of that organization if wise people with cool heads prevail. This may be a watershed day for college athletics.
Or else it may be just a bump in the road, a few people and programs will be made scapegoats, and after a quiet period, it will be business as usual, just the methods will change. But I doubt anyone is innocent in this scandal and we should all be nervous.
Or else it may be just a bump in the road, a few people and programs will be made scapegoats, and after a quiet period, it will be business as usual, just the methods will change. But I doubt anyone is innocent in this scandal and we should all be nervous.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:00 pm to GenesChin
quote:that was just with player 1, not the parents.
First meeting happened in NYC
Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:02 pm to GenesChin
Arkansas fans calling about UNC and State
Louisville fans calling about UK
UK fans calling about Louisville, Kansas, Duke and UNC
SEC fans calling about UK
Auburn fans calling about Bama(football only)
Bama fans calling about Auburn(football only)
Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:03 pm to GenesChin
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Should have let the NCAA do that then have them forward anything relevant
No. NCAA would have filtered out anything related to the cash cows
Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:13 pm to Tigerman97
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Any guess how many pages the Admins will let this go with an Auburn title but zero discussion about Auburn in it before they unstick the thread? 2? 10? 20?
Schlabach's article on espn.com makes Person sound like the biggest slimeball ever.
And he was committing NCAA violations while an AU assistant - which pulls in Pearl automatically. Pearl is toast.
Espn
Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:19 pm to GenesChin
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Other thing of note, Player 1 is being reported as Austin Wiley when it is in fact Mustapha Heron
I thought I read in the report that one was set to arrive but Person didn’t know if he’d be in by January? Also, I believe the player was thought to be 1st round grade.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:22 pm to jangalang
quote:Person clearly is described as discussing Wiley in a phone call to CW1. The indictment then talks about Player 1 meeting with CW1 in New York. Because of the way it was written people assumed Player 1 was Wiley because of the flow of the indictment. However, as Gene pointed out, player 1 can't be Wiley because several facts don't line up.
I thought I read in the report that one was set to arrive but Person didn’t know if he’d be in by January? Also, I believe the player was thought to be 1st round grade
Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:29 pm to PearlJam
Are we dead yet?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:33 pm to Prometheus
Pat Forde saying some criptic shite about bama...
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