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Posted on 8/14/13 at 12:51 pm to aggressor
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Johnny and A&M are lawyered up as well and they have a lot of sympathy in the press and the public to their side of the case.
Probably out in College Station, but not a whole lot elsewhere from what I've seen. Most of what I've been reading runs the gamut from 'how could anyone be so stupid' to 'his teammates have to be getting tired of his antics' to 'Sumlin needs to make a decision soon'.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 12:59 pm to tmc94
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But here you are suggesting that breaking any rule should have equal punishments. It's an absurd suggestion so all you're going to get from me is an absurd analogy.
I am not saying that either. In the rules for D1A football, there are specific ramifications when you get paid based on your celebrity status as a CFB player. Namely, you're no longer an amateur and therefore no longer eligible to play with amateurs. To be blunt, among the NCAA rules (no state and federal laws), what Manziel is implying happened is way worse that getting free tattoos. This is about as big as you can get without the University itself being guilty as well.
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Who said anything about getting away with it? If he's guilty, he should be punished. That punishment does not have to include sitting him. Just as every law you break doesn't result in jail time. It could, but your inane question to begin with is would you be okay if guilty if he played for Texas A&M? Of course I would because my world isn't purely black and white.
I wonder - how, exactly, would you punish him then? You're still equating "not playing football" to "going to prison". Those fates are NOT equal.
Texas A&M has long stood as a tradition-rich, honor-focused institution. Manziel is currently the face of Texas A&M, whether the fanbase likes it or not - and that ultimately means that the perception of Texas A&M, as they didn't do anything to straighten him out UNTIL he was potentially in trouble with the NCAA, is that they are more akin to the Miamis and USCwests of CFB than the member institutions of the SEC.
My question is that are A&M fans okay with that? Because that is CERTAINLY not the impression I had of A&M prior to this season. I saw one of the greater colleges in the country, with great academics, a strong tradition, and a solid football program.
Now, America sees a kid who will get his and everyone else be damned.
Is a crystal football worth that much?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:03 pm to aggressor
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aggressor
Johnny and A&M are lawyered up as well
The fact that Manziel has his own lawyer, while a prudent thing to do, indicates that they don't necessarily trust the aTm lawyers to get him on the field.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:03 pm to skrayper
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Is a crystal football worth that much?
According to 98% of the Rant. A Crystal Football is ALL THAT MATTERS.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:05 pm to mrbroker
Maybe they are lying, maybe they aren't. They just should have to provide some type of real evidence other than a pic/video of Johnny signing a few autos (nothing remotely approaching the numbers they are saying) and their "word". If they paid him, show something regarding the money trail. If they paid Uncle Nate, do the same. At least go out and do an interview with someone that is skeptical of their story.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:05 pm to 3andOut
Most AU fans that I heard from said they would easily accept probation if it meant them winning a 2010 title, which they did and no one went on probation, 
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:12 pm to mrbroker
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Most AU fans that I heard from said they would easily accept probation if it meant them winning a 2010 title, which they did and no one went on probation,
Sadly, in my honest opinion (I am not speaking for my fellow Aggies) If you told me I could choose between Winning the natty this year and being on probation next year. Or going 10-2 with non BCS bowl games for the next two years. I would take the Natty and probation. Strictly because of the shitstorm the rant would see.
The overflowing tears of the gumps and swamp kittens would be worth of year of probation just to hear them admit we do belong in the SEC.
Again all of this is just a personal opinion and in no way an Aggie as a whole opinion.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:13 pm to JakeMongoose
Herbstreit tweeted this AM how he was misquoted. He said that Johnny would have to be the dumbest guy ever to go into a room full of people and take money for signing autos and he can't believe Johnny is that dumb. Herbie is an avowed fan of Johnny and has played golf with him.
There are a ton of folks out there questioning the validity of the rule itself and a lot more who question the validity of the reporting and evidence. Sure there are some who are just running with the story and saying Johnny/ATM should be suspended but it is nothing close to overwhelming.
It's also ridiculous to question A&M's honor in this case or why Johnny has a lawyer. A&M has an obligation to find out the truth, not to string up their player based on questionable evidence and without the NCAA telling them to do so. Johnny also has his own lawyer because the A&M lawyer needs to be objectively advocating for the school and not for him. To have A&M's lawyer be Johnny's advocate would mean A&M isn't being objective.
Keep up your witchhunt though. I'm waiting for some real evidence or at least the opportunity for a real journalist to question these accusers and make them show some real proof of payment.
There are a ton of folks out there questioning the validity of the rule itself and a lot more who question the validity of the reporting and evidence. Sure there are some who are just running with the story and saying Johnny/ATM should be suspended but it is nothing close to overwhelming.
It's also ridiculous to question A&M's honor in this case or why Johnny has a lawyer. A&M has an obligation to find out the truth, not to string up their player based on questionable evidence and without the NCAA telling them to do so. Johnny also has his own lawyer because the A&M lawyer needs to be objectively advocating for the school and not for him. To have A&M's lawyer be Johnny's advocate would mean A&M isn't being objective.
Keep up your witchhunt though. I'm waiting for some real evidence or at least the opportunity for a real journalist to question these accusers and make them show some real proof of payment.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:14 pm to mrbroker
Its amazing how delusional we are right now. Pretending like we don't really know if he got paid because we don't have film of him putting money into his bank account. Cmon. ESPN may be annoying as hell but acting like they're straight up lying about the existence of the video and the number of signed items is pretty sad. I'm an adult. I don't need "undeniable proof" to know that OJ killed two people, Barry Bonds took steroids, and that Johnny did not sign 4K items for free. Sucks but thats just the truth 
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:14 pm to aggressor
Everything we've heard is straight from ESPN. There's the video that no one but a few at ESPN have "seen" and a photo of Johnny standing up signing one from a stack of 5 photos at max. If the NCAA does anything on that, there will be a gigantic shitstorm headed their way.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:17 pm to Sargentwinslow9
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Its amazing how delusional we are right now. Pretending like we don't really know if he got paid because we don't have film of him putting money into his bank account. Cmon. ESPN may be annoying as hell but acting like they're straight up lying about the existence of the video and the number of signed items is pretty sad. I'm an adult. I don't need "undeniable proof" to know that OJ killed two people, Barry Bonds took steroids, and that Johnny did not sign 4K items for free. Sucks but thats just the truth
You apparently havent been here long... I dont know of anyone on this entire board who thinks manziel is innocent. I am almost 100% sure he is guilty... but the question, and the ONLY question is. Can they prove it.
So before you come in with a holier than thou arguement take some time to read about what everyone is saying.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:17 pm to 3andOut
NCAA Investigation Process
Hey fricking idiots who keep saying the "NCAA is not a court of law and doesnt need evidence do to anything"
The NCAA website that details the investigation process says this:
Verifiable evidence, not if we cant find real evidence we can use any circumstantial evidence we see fit.
Hey fricking idiots who keep saying the "NCAA is not a court of law and doesnt need evidence do to anything"
The NCAA website that details the investigation process says this:
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If the investigation uncovers no verifiable evidence of a major violation, the case is closed and no further action is taken. If evidence of a major violation is discovered, the case moves to the next phase, and a notice of allegations is sent to the institution.
Verifiable evidence, not if we cant find real evidence we can use any circumstantial evidence we see fit.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:19 pm to ISEN_AG
so the few from ESPN are making it up?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:21 pm to mrbroker
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so the few from ESPN are making it up?
While im not saying they are making it up...the guy who broke this story was duped by a high school senior into believing he was running a high end escort business for NBA players.
Shitty Reporter
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:22 pm to 3andOut
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The overflowing tears of the gumps and swamp kittens would be worth of year of probation just to hear them admit we do belong in the SEC.
Good thing we never have to worry bout that happening..
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:24 pm to ISEN_AG
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Everything we've heard is straight from ESPN. There's the video that no one but a few at ESPN have "seen" and a photo of Johnny standing up signing one from a stack of 5 photos at max. If the NCAA does anything on that, there will be a gigantic shitstorm headed their way.
The denial is awesome..
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:25 pm to TigerBait2008
Can we hit 300 pages today?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:25 pm to TigerBait2008
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Good thing we never have to worry bout that happening..
You will admit one day that we belong in the SEC. Eventually that Tiger Pride will have to be swallowed.
I wont make you get all crazy and say the same thing to Mizzou... but you get the picture.
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 8/14/13 at 1:27 pm to 3andOut
U guys belong and we all admit it..but you will be consistently no better then 3rd in the west and will be consistently 4th when Au is rebuilt..Dealt with your red headed step child status and learn to like it 
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