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Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:13 pm to BrerTiger
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:13 pm to BrerTiger
quote:Which is good as far as paper trail. Usually they are required to provide financial records, I would assume that with interviews gave the NCAA the info they needed to clear.
. We don't know what their interviews turned up but LSU felt confident enough to play Javonte so that means it is unlikely the interviews produced anything useful for the NCAA.
Wades problem is even an offer is a violation, even if no money exchanged. He has created this mess and only him talking to NCAA/LSU will resolve
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:16 pm to civiltiger07
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seems like you aren't comprehending what lsuball19 is writing
I understand his statement clearly, he just hasnt shown it
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but not evidence that was ruled inadmissible in court.
Your quote here says nothing about evidence ruled inadmissible and clearly evidence will get handed over to the NCAA as the FBI said so, that is a contradiction
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No agency shall disclose any record which is contained in a system of records by any means of communication to any person, or to another agency, except pursuant to a written request
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:17 pm to BrerTiger
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We don't know what their interviews turned up but LSU felt confident enough to play Javonte so that means it is unlikely the interviews produced anything useful for the NCAA.
This is a pretty important detail considering the NCAA was assisting with LSU's investigation of Smart before he was cleared to play.
They did say that was based off information they had at this time, but that could change if new information comes to light.
In other words, without the tapes from the FBI, the NCAA has nothing.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:25 pm to NYCAuburn
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Really? its from the statement that Wade made last year.
oh ok, so is it your position Wade's conversations had nothing to do with money? I guess he's done nothing wrong then. Or to do you want to walk back your disagreement that, in the context we're talking about, the definition of business 100% has to do with the exchange of money? (which is what my post said, you just decided to chop off half of it thinking you were making a good point)
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:34 pm to ibldprplgld
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They did say that was based off information they had at this time, but that could change if new information comes to light.
Agreed.
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In other words, without the tapes from the FBI, the NCAA has nothing.
Unless they find some other evidence, yes.
We could well end up in a place where we all know Will Wade is dirty AF but the NCAA can't do a damn thing about it.
Or we could end up in a place where one of these middlemen feels squeezed enough that they start giving up all the goods like we're seeing right now with Nike and Avenatti.
It will be interesting to see how much, if anything, of what Avenatti dropped is actually usable by the NCAA. He dumped a treasure trove paper trail. Are we going to see a similar paper trail eventually drop for Adidas?
This story has been playing out for over 2 years and is much, much bigger than Will Wade. It just remains to be seen how much more will drop that actually involved Will Wade or anything else re: LSU. Everybody just hoping and praying it's not their school that gets nailed.
ETA: But if the FBI just turns over their wiretap transcript to the NCAA (a big if), then Will Wade will have some serious splainin' to do with the NCAA.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:42 pm to Scoob
quote:What's the FBI's angle in this entire ordeal?
I seriously doubt the FBI is going to release anything to the NCAA.
What do they hope to accomplish and how do they hope to deter parents from shopping their kids and accepting payouts to sway a kid to certain programs?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:42 pm to BrerTiger
Not a bad assessment.
Everyone is just in a holding pattern until it all comes out and the dust settles. If it's as big as people are hinting, lotta people and programs around the country are probably uneasy about it.
Everyone is just in a holding pattern until it all comes out and the dust settles. If it's as big as people are hinting, lotta people and programs around the country are probably uneasy about it.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:59 pm to ibldprplgld
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Not a bad assessment.
Everyone is just in a holding pattern until it all comes out and the dust settles. If it's as big as people are hinting, lotta people and programs around the country are probably uneasy about it.
Yup.
Shoes yet to drop.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:00 pm to RT1941
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What's the FBI's angle in this entire ordeal?
So far they seem only interested in nailing the middlemen and have zero interest in going after the universities or the shoe companies.
That could change but so far that's what we've seen.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:07 pm to BrerTiger
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What Wade said re: Dawkins may technically be true in a way that would make Bill Clinton proud.
That's a very poor correlation. If Bill Clinton had gotten a blowjob from Jenna Jameson and denied having "sexual relations" with Monica Lewinski, then that would be a true statement. An accurate correlation would be if his definition of business he had with Dawkins was not the same definition as Alleva and thus maintained his "integrity." That's not what happened here, though
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If Will Wade was entirely truthful with Alleva back in October, then why suspend him in March? To appease the national media? Fear of the NCAA?
Yes, because Alleva doesn't have any stones. Bruce Pearl has refused to speak with Auburn officials regarding any of this. Same with Sean Miller, same with Bill Self. Last time i checked, they are still coaching. So, yes, Alleva/F King 100% caved to media pressure and the NCAA.
quote:Nice fairy-tale world you live in.
LSU would have zero problem right now firing Will Wade with cause.
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He's already in breach of contract for taking so long just to come in and tell his boss his side of things.
Actually, no he's not. I spent hours talking down the same idiots on tigerdropping who think this. Read the language very carefully in that provision in his contract and come back to me. If it were that easy, it would have already happened.
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Anybody think Will Wade would win a lawsuit against LSU?
Why couldn't he?
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They are biding their time to see what else develops.
They are biding their time so they don't get sued, bud. They'd rather not be on the hook for Wade's remaining salary, damages, his attorney fees, and their attorney fees. If they had easy cause to fire him, they would have done it. It's not a difficult concept. But please provide me with the provisions of the contract, and I'll give you a very easy legal argument that Wade's attorneys would rip LSU to shreds with if they fired him now.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:10 pm to NYCAuburn
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you even state it here
Yes, someone violated a protective order. You think the NCAA wants to be a part of illegally obtained evidence? Surely you're smarter than this (maybe not)
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Again, I am asking where it says evidence not used in a court case can not be released
again, it doesn't matter
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Your quote says nothing about this and this is your point.
my quote has everything you need. Like I said, pay my hourly rate and I'll write you a legal brief to make you look dumber than you already do.
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Never said they were going to
Then why do you keep arguing they'll have access to this information?
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You did not in relation to your claim
:lol: I sure as frick did you doltquote:
Id like to see it.
Then find it yourself bud
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:13 pm to RT1941
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What's the FBI's angle in this entire ordeal?
What do they hope to accomplish and how do they hope to deter parents from shopping their kids and accepting payouts to sway a kid to certain programs?
The FBI doesn't give a damn. You know why this became a case for them? Because hundreds of thousands of dollars were being exchanged, across state lines, with no taxes being paid on any of it. You think the FBI give two shits about college players violating NCAA by-laws and the sanctity of college athletics?
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:22 pm to BrerTiger
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zero interest in going after the universities or the shoe companies.
two of the guys already sentenced and on trial along with Dawkins are Adidas execs. The real interesting part is you know Nike and Under Armour have played this game too. I'm waiting for that proverbial shoe to drop, pun intended.
They aren't going after the universities because the feds have painted them as "victims" at trial.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:39 pm to lsufball19
quote:and the FBI said they were giving evidence to the NCAA. You also said if in a court case, it was allowed, could be released. which contradicts the act cited
Yes, someone violated a protective order.
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again, it doesn't matter
Then why did you make the distinction and say it did? You are the one that said if admissible allowed to be released, if not admissible , then it wasnt allowed to be released. Again, the FBI has said they are going to release info. Are they breaking the FPA by doing so?
quote:your quote does not have anything in relation to your specific claim(Evidence ruled inadmissible cant be released to third parties)
my quote has everything you need.
quote:Simple questions, did the FBI state they were going to hand over evidence to the NCAA and does that contradict your FPA quote?
Then why do you keep arguing they'll have access to this information?
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Then find it yourself bud
I am not searching for anything. I dont care, but if it was linked on here Id read it. You are the one making the claim, with nothing to back it up. I am merely asking to see it.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:40 pm to lsufball19
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zero interest in going after the universities or the shoe companies.
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two of the guys already sentenced and on trial along with Dawkins are Adidas execs. The real interesting part is you know Nike and Under Armour have played this game too. I'm waiting for that proverbial shoe to drop, pun intended.
They aren't going after the universities because the feds have painted them as "victims" at trial.
This is true. The FBI only cares about the companies and middle men here. They have stated the coaches were not the target of the investigations
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:43 pm to BrerTiger
quote:He's got serious splainin' to do any way you look at the situation.
ETA: But if the FBI just turns over their wiretap transcript to the NCAA (a big if), then Will Wade will have some serious splainin' to do with the NCAA.
He acted unethically, he's the HC of the program and he failed to monitor his own actions, and his actions failed to foster an environment of compliance. It maybe some piddly Level II-III transaction in the end, but the NCAA can't have HC's on tape discussing deals with street pimps. You use buffers for crap like that!
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:50 pm to NYCAuburn
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and the FBI said they were giving evidence to the NCAA
you're hopeless or can't read, pick one
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You also said if in a court case, it was allowed, could be released. which contradicts the act cited
no it doesn't. I specifically said that things allowed into the court record is an exception to that law. Again, you are hopeless or can't read.
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Then why did you make the distinction and say it did?
I didn't
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Again, the FBI has said they are going to release info
You. are. dumb.
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your quote does not have anything in relation to your specific claim(Evidence ruled inadmissible cant be released to third parties)
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id the FBI state they were going to hand over evidence to the NCAA and does that contradict your FPA quote?
They never said they would hand over their entire case file. No, never have said that once. No, the NCAA obtaining evidence admitted at trial does not violate the law cited. It has been explained to you why. I don;t know why this is such a hard concept for you to understand no matter how many times it is dumbed-down for you.
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I dont care
you already said you wanted to read it
Here's a great hint for you. You are completely and 100% out of your league arguing the law with me. Just do yourself a favor and stop trying to. You are showing, with every post you make, how completely ignorant and, quite frankly, simple-minded you are.
I'm am telling you the FBI cannot legally release evidence to the NCAA that is found inadmissible at trial. they can't. I'm not spending anymore time doing legal research for you that you clearly still don't comprehend. Just take my word for it. This isn't me being a homer or thinking Will Wade didn't cheat. this is me trying to provide perspective on different ways the NCAA is going to have to try to investigate schools based on certain limitations they may have based on laws they, the FBI, and those involved in the case are bound to follow.
Because here's the thing, you haven;t provide a shred of information to the contrary to what i have said. It wouldn't even qualify as a rebuttal. So do yourself a favor and kindly stfu and don't speak about things about which you know nothing. K thanks
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:54 pm to RT1941
In an article from 5 days ago, the NCAA is agressively seeking evidence from the FBI:
But counsel for FBI says not so fast:
So it looks like contrary to the opinion of some here, the FBI is not going to turn over the evidence to the NCAA after all. That's a very inconvenient truth for the narrative some are pushing on here.
LINK
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The NCAA is “aggressively” pursuing evidence obtained by the FBI for the college basketball corruption trials, NCAA President Mark Emmert said.
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“We petitioned, and we’re going to continue to argue aggressively that they should provide that information so we can get to the facts, since there’s so much interest, not just on our part, but across the country and knowing what really transpired there,” Emmert said, according to the transcript.
Emmert noted that the NCAA needed to file a request for the evidence because it is not automatically available. If the request is granted, the NCAA can then use the evidence as part of its own investigations into the recruiting scandals without needing to find the evidence on its own, which is a relatively new NCAA rule.
But counsel for FBI says not so fast:
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In a separate court filing in March, prosecutors representing the U.S. government in the case said they intended to oppose the release of the evidence, noting the NCAA had requested 24 exhibits of evidence that were not admitted into an October trial.
So it looks like contrary to the opinion of some here, the FBI is not going to turn over the evidence to the NCAA after all. That's a very inconvenient truth for the narrative some are pushing on here.
LINK
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:56 pm to ibldprplgld
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ibldprplgld
don't worry, NYC doesn't rely on truths or legal concepts to develop his opinions on how this case will turn
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“We petitioned, and we’re going to continue to argue aggressively that they should provide that information so we can get to the facts, since there’s so much interest, not just on our part, but across the country and knowing what really transpired there,” Emmert said, according to the transcript.
Emmert noted that the NCAA needed to file a request for the evidence because it is not automatically available.
This, however, is a hilarious argument from Emmert. "But, your honor, THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, so can we please just ignore due process and the law so we can start punishing schools at our independent non-profit organization"
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:57 pm to BrerTiger
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What's the FBI's angle in this entire ordeal?
quote:At least two Adidas exec's are in deep water over this shite. We'll see where Nike lands.
So far they seem only interested in nailing the middlemen and have zero interest in going after the universities or the shoe companies.
That could change but so far that's what we've seen.
At the end of the day, this whole thing is nothing more than a damn slave sale. Parents shopping their kids to the highest bidder, AAU coaches promoting the studs on the auction block, agents acting as slave traders, runners acting as pimps and shoe companies acting as plantation owners with the ca$h.
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