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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:26 am to
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:26 am to
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LSU fans continually fail to realize that the NCAA is not a court of law. The FBI has stated that they will be turning over everything they have gathered to the NCAA when their investigation is over.


Ouch!

Dawkins & his attorney's don't have to go scorched earth on college basketball if the FBI lets the evidence flow freely to the NCAA.
Posted by ibldprplgld
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:28 am to
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I see your point, but it's unlikely that Joe Alleva, the entire Athletic Department, FKing, and the entire LSU Compliance crew will lose their jobs over a head basketball coach.


Whoa, slippery slope much? I never said LSU was going to clean house. Alleva is very likely a dead man walking at LSU and King's seat may also be warm. That's a far cry from the entire athletic and compliance departments.

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At the end of the day, should Wade be reinstated he will have to work day to day under many of the same folks that he undermined and show insubordination towards.


Many of the same folks? Like I said, Alleva is probably gone. King, for all his authority, at the end of the day answers to the BOS. Alleva is not King's guy, so I find it very hard to believe King knights for Alleva and thumbs his nose at the BOS.

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The BOS, big $$ donors, and Lipsey won't be sitting in the building during the day to day operations and administration of Wade's program on a go forward basis. I just see a great possibility for a toxic work environment.

Well this is a huge assumption on your part, but it's already pretty toxic over there directly because of Alleva. Once he's gone, I doubt it gets worse, especially if Wade has the backing of the BOS and the $ guys.

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Compliance alone can make a HC's job unbearable, they can slow play admissions clearance and they can outright block recruiting processes when they feel like it.




LSU's compliance office has been a thorn in the side of LSU coaches for years; it's run like the KGB and they self-report everything (and I do mean everything) to the NCAA. But you highlight a good point: LSU compliance has been going scorched Earth investigating this for a long time now, and there's no evidence against Wade otherwise he'd have been fired a while ago.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:28 am to
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Again, you are more than welcome to cite some legal precedent to show that the FBI can release inadmissible wiretaps of third parties to other third parties.


Can you cite the law that says what you are stating?

FTR, I am not saying you are wrong here. But this doesnt seem to go with history.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 11:30 am
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:29 am to
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Ouch!

I mean they never said that, so not really "ouch"

Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26866 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:32 am to
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you can do business without payment



I'm not shocked you're still peddling this BS. Not shocked at all.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:34 am to
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Can you cite the law that says what you are stating?

The Federal Privacy Act
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:34 am to
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I'm not shocked you're still peddling this BS


Peddling? Its reality. I am sorry you got your panties in a wad a few weeks ago, when you were trying to argue something that no one was saying and I told you over and over, but you failed to grasp it...
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:35 am to
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Peddling? Its reality.

No it’s not.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:35 am to
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The Federal Privacy Act


again

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Can you cite the law that says what you are stating?


Show the language you are referring to. Just saying the FPA doesnt really prove your point
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:37 am to
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No it’s not.
"doing business" does not have the qualifier that payment must be made. Sorry that is a fact
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:39 am to
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Peddling? Its reality. I


Only in your head.

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I am sorry you got your panties in a wad a few weeks ago, when you were trying to argue something that no one was saying and I told you over and over, but you failed to grasp it...


Sorry you have wretched communication skills and struggle with honesty (and facts).

Do better. Be better...or keep being you.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:40 am to
Just like the NCAA doesn't need a money trail. Proof of an illegal benefit being offered is just as against NCAA rules as actually paying a player for his signature.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71002 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:43 am to
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Show the language you are referring to. Just saying the FPA doesnt really prove your point




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(b) Conditions of Disclosure.--No agency shall disclose any record which is contained in a system of records by any means of communication to any person, or to another agency, except pursuant to a written request by, or with the prior written consent of, the individual to whom
the record pertains, unless disclosure of the record would be--

(1) to those officers and employees of the agency which maintains the record who have a need for the record in the performance of their duties;
(2) required under section 552 of this title;
(3) for a routine use as defined in subsection (a)(7) of this section and described under subsection (e)(4)(D) of this section;
(4) to the Bureau of the Census for purposes of planning or carrying out a census or survey or related activity pursuant to the provisions of title 13;
(5) to a recipient who has provided the agency with advance adequate written assurance that the record will be used solely as a statistical research or reporting record, and the record is to be transferred in a form that is not individually identifiable;
(6) to the National Archives and Records Administration as a record which has sufficient historical or other value to warrant its continued preservation by the United States Government, or for evaluation by the Archivist of the United States or the designee of the Archivist to determine whether the record has such value;
(7) to another agency or to an instrumentality of any governmental jurisdiction within or under the control of the United States for a civil or criminal law enforcement activity if the activity is authorized by law, and if the head of the agency or instrumentality has made a written request to the agency which maintains the record specifying the particular portion desired and the law enforcement activity for which the record is sought;
(8) to a person pursuant to a showing of compelling circumstances affecting the health or safety of an individual if upon such disclosure notification is transmitted to the last known address of such individual;
(9) to either House of Congress, or, to the extent of matter within its jurisdiction, any committee or subcommittee thereof, any joint committee of Congress or subcommittee of any such joint committee;
(10) to the Comptroller General, or any of his authorized representatives, in the course of the performance of the duties of the Government Accountability Office;
(11) pursuant to the order of a court of competent jurisdiction; or
(12) to a consumer reporting agency in accordance with section 3711(e) of title 31.



Now you find me the exception that allows the NCAA to request, and obtain, inadmissible evidence obtained by a federal agency. This law does not extend to information that makes its way into the record of a court proceeding, so that's why the admissibility of all of this is paramount for the NCAA getting what they want, not just regarding Will Wade, but all the other schools involved. If the NCAA was confident they were going to receive everything they never would have filed a Motion to Intervene in this case (for the purpose of gathering the case file), a Motion that was denied for being improperly filed and failure to cite legal authority allowing them to intervene.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 11:59 am
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:46 am to
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Only in your head.


Nowhere in the definition of business is payment a qualifier

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Sorry you have wretched communication skills and struggle with honesty (and facts).
You literally argued with yourself and projected statements that were contradictory to what was actually stated. I still am amazed at how long you kept it up.

My replies were "no one said this" "This was not stated" etc... yet you continued to argue against a point that no one made
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Member since Dec 2013
37896 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:48 am to
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Sorry that is a fact

No it’s not
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Member since Dec 2013
37896 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:49 am to
Damn.

RIP NYC!
Posted by The_Ultimate_Warrior
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:51 am to
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26866 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:54 am to
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Nowhere in the definition of business is payment a qualifier



That actually is business: exchange of goods or services for payment. It can't be anymore clear than that. But I know you'll retort quickly with absolutely nothing substantive.

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You literally argued with yourself and projected statements that were contradictory to what was actually stated. I still am amazed at how long you kept it up.

My replies were "no one said this" "This was not stated" etc... yet you continued to argue against a point that no one made


Your AU compadre made a statement; I commented on how asinine it was, and you inexplicably and vehemently knighted for him...and weeks later you're still sensitive about it apparently. Keep it up and you just may find a way to discredit yourself even more.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26866 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:54 am to


frick! That's gonna leave a mark. Holy shite.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71002 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:58 am to
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frick! That's gonna leave a mark. Holy shite.

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