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Posted on 8/1/18 at 3:46 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 8/1/18 at 3:46 pm to fibonaccisquared
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You can play semantics and say she didn't name him, but there is no doubt about who she is calling out. I'm not even saying she's wrong to do so... just that the outward appearance is that she feels like it's his fault. I think it's a bit more nuanced than that is all. Lots of people clearly share in the blame...
I'll take a stab at answering you. I think there's two things going on here and the first ties into the second. First, coaching families are families to one another because they live a unique lifestyle in a unique environment. (Consider Coach Pruitt driving Coach Smart's wife to the hospital when she was pregnant and Kirby was out of town). They are the support system for one another and take care of one another as well as one another's kids.
Which leads to the second thing, betrayal. Urban is the head of this extended family and had the power to do something about it. When the 09 incident happened Urban's 'life coach' Hiram talked her out of pursuing charges so she obviously had some respect for his input on things. In the meantime, it looks like things escalated substantially over the years from a push to cutting her and bruising her. She asks for help and seeing that her best friend is Urban's wife expects help to come (he knows for sure about the 09 incident) and yet that doesn't happen.
So she feels betrayed by her friends/extended family who abandoned her when she needed help the most. She thought better of them and found out she was wrong.
That's my guess at the psychology at play here.
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Posted on 8/1/18 at 3:46 pm to boilertiger
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Urban is done. The smoking gun is the screen shot of the conversation between Lindsey Voltolini (wife of OSU Football Operations staff member) and and Courtney Smith. Courtney: "[Zach's] trying to make me look crazy bc that's what Shelley is saying [he's doing]" Lindsey: "[Urban] just said [Zach] denied everything" Courtney: "I hope urban is smarter than that" Lindsey: "[Urban] doesn't know what to think" Courtney: "I don't really care. Ya know" Lindsey: "Yeah, don't worry about urb" LINK Simply not doing anything is a bad look, but he could probably survived this if that were all he did. What compounds this are two specific things. 1) Courtney Smith claims that Hiram De Fries (Urban Meyer's life coach) asked her to drop charges of aggravated battery of a pregnant victim back in 2009. 2) Urban Meyer publicly denied any knowledge of this last week. This looks like a classic coverup. I think he is done.
Well done.
Throw in Urban having him look around at other jobs/programs the last few years & the biggest drop of all...
Zach Smith beats the shite out if his wife for six years and we hear nothing, Earl Bruce passes away three months ago and all hell breaks loose over him pulling up in the drive way?
Add Columbus area PD to the list of contributors.
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 8/1/18 at 3:50 pm to NolakcbrTiger
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This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 8/1/18 at 3:52 pm to NolakcbrTiger
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GO frick YOURSELF
And I did not write "frick", that's TD censor.just so you know...boy
Mine shows up as frick
Posted on 8/1/18 at 3:54 pm to PCRammer
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Who's to say she didn't look at her own family. That's not reportable info. The story is OSU and maybe, just might possibly, the sports reporter decided to focus on the sports aspect of the story. If he saw texts to her aunt Pam, cousin Jim, or neighbor Dwight asking for help it really doesn't matter when it comes to the direction of the story.
And that's fine for the message in the written piece. In her interview, she *explicitly* says that the coach and his wife have a duty... she mentions telling her family, his family, etc... at no point does she say that anyone else had a duty, just "the coach and his wife"... It comes across odd... Is it possible that it was edited and she both owned some of the blame and shared it with the family members? Maybe? I didn't specifically note a cut scene in that part of the interview, but it's certainly possible.
Everything seems to be centered around generating outrage and pointing it... I just think that it's fair to note that people who ultimately should have been intimately more involved in her life seemingly did nothing to protect her either.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 3:59 pm to themicah85
Well it seems Urban knew about said elegations, so he will just get a slap on the wrist. Probably even get pinned a medal. A purple heart? Yeah sounds about right. Rich get richer, poor get poorer.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:00 pm to VaVetJohnny
fired if the media goes after him
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:01 pm to fibonaccisquared
1. Who said Urban is the only one? The writer isn’t getting much scoop or attention with anyone else as the centerpiece.
2. Others may have failed her, but who played the biggest role in patronizing, playing & using her for personal gain/avoiding personal loss?
That is why Urban Meyer is the target and damn well should be.
tOSU will be done with him if he can’t spin himself out if this or if the public is dumb enough to not see this for what it is.
2. Others may have failed her, but who played the biggest role in patronizing, playing & using her for personal gain/avoiding personal loss?
That is why Urban Meyer is the target and damn well should be.
tOSU will be done with him if he can’t spin himself out if this or if the public is dumb enough to not see this for what it is.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:02 pm to Prof
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I'll take a stab at answering you. I think there's two things going on here and the first ties into the second. First, coaching families are families to one another because they live a unique lifestyle in a unique environment. (Consider Coach Pruitt driving Coach Smart's wife to the hospital when she was pregnant and Kirby was out of town). They are the support system for one another and take care of one another as well as one another's kids.
Which leads to the second thing, betrayal. Urban is the head of this extended family and had the power to do something about it. When the 09 incident happened Urban's 'life coach' Hiram talked her out of pursuing charges so she obviously had some respect for his input on things. In the meantime, it looks like things escalated substantially over the years from a push to cutting her and bruising her. She asks for help and seeing that her best friend is Urban's wife expects help to come (he knows for sure about the 09 incident) and yet that doesn't happen.
So she feels betrayed by her friends/extended family who abandoned her when she needed help the most. She thought better of them and found out she was wrong.
That's my guess at the psychology at play here.
Re-reading my comment, it came out a bit more "accusatory" than intended. Not really related to your response, just one of those things that you notice when you read things back. Anyways...
Yeah, I can see all of this being a logical train of thought in her mind. And I don't disagree even with the idea that the coaches *should* have been doing anything they could to keep her safe.
The disconnect for me is that she feels like *this* tightknit "familial" group is more responsible for keeping her safe and helping her make the hard decisions than her actual family.
I try to put myself in the situation of not just hearing that my brother physically abused his wife (has not, nor do I think it ever will happen... entirely hypothetical) but seeing pictures. I think my first reaction would be to dig and make sure I am looking at all of the information, and assuming I satisfy that concern then he's got about 30 seconds from the time I see him to convince me why I shouldn't beat his arse.
I then think about a hypothetical scenario where my daughter is ever abused... again... affirm truth, get complete story - likely in a much less amenable to alternative stories if we're being honest - and then dude bro likely isn't walking for the foreseeable future.
Do I think the coaching "family" is culpable here? Absolutely. But not moreso than her own family...
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:04 pm to Prof
Thanks for keeping me straight on that Prof. That makes sense now. Didn't mean to be insensitive - just read it in a completely different way.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:04 pm to fibonaccisquared
Her blood family told her to stay because he'd be fired otherwise. People have fricked up priorities and too many still tell their daughters to stay in abusive but financially stable relationship because that's the way things used to be or what they're used to. They downplay it and rationalize it as not being so bad.
I think she thought better of her extended football family that she's spent far more time with since getting married.
Plus, no one would read about a shitty family being shitty to their daughter who needed help and support. That's another day in America. Sadly, it's just the football angle that people care about.
I think she thought better of her extended football family that she's spent far more time with since getting married.
Plus, no one would read about a shitty family being shitty to their daughter who needed help and support. That's another day in America. Sadly, it's just the football angle that people care about.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:06 pm to Carolina_Dawg
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Thanks for keeping me straight on that Prof. That makes sense now. Didn't mean to be insensitive - just read it in a completely different way.
No problem. It actually does sound kinda funny when you think of it as 'parent doesn't want kids dropped off' given how heated custody disputes get.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:07 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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1. Who said Urban is the only one? The writer isn’t getting much scoop or attention with anyone else as the centerpiece.
Thus the reason I didn't fault the *writer*... I am referring specifically to her interview where she places blame on Urban and his wife but does mention that she specifically told so many other people. Perhaps it was the way questions were phrased or what she was asked to speak to specifically, but it makes for a very myopic view of her problems, and one that conveniently absolves her and anyone not named Urban Meyer of any responsibility. But that's what our news media likes to do in 2018... generate outrage over a singular view rather than deal in grey areas.
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That is why Urban Meyer is the target and damn well should be.
I 100% agree that the piece that was written is correctly targeting him. There is a difference between an "expose" style piece written and the victim then blaming one or two specific people in her interview.
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Others may have failed her, but who played the biggest role in patronizing, playing & using her for personal gain/avoiding personal loss?
Gonna have to help me out on this one. Not following... perhaps it's just a piece of the story that I've missed.
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tOSU will be done with him if he can’t spin himself out if this or if the public is dumb enough to not see this for what it is.
Note any of my other comments... I haven't said he should get a pass at all... If tOSU wants to, they can probably find a way to do this, but not without coming out covered in shite. Just depends on how much they want to stink until another headline comes out.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:11 pm to SAINTS0321
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Media storm he gone..media quiet he stays...
How many times are you gonna say that in this thread? We get it. You think the media is evil. frick man.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:12 pm to Prof
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Her blood family told her to stay because he'd be fired otherwise. People have fricked up priorities and too many still tell their daughters to stay in abusive but financially stable relationship because that's the way things used to be or what they're used to. They downplay it and rationalize it as not being so bad.
That's the part that sticks out to me... Maybe it's more normal. I can assure you that if it's my kid, that mother fricker is getting strung up by his balls.
It's not that I think Urban or any of the staff/spouses deserve a pass. frick them. Shitty humans. Not even up for debate. But seriously, what kind of a shitty individual do you have to be to not care about your kid, or that your kid is injuring his wife...
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I think she thought better of her extended football family that she's spent far more time with since getting married.
Maybe this is the piece I am struggling with. Coaches (and their families) live drastically different lives than the average person. Demands of the job, the schedule, etc...
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Plus, no one would read about a shitty family being shitty to their daughter who needed help and support. That's another day in America. Sadly, it's just the football angle that people care about.
Answered this already, but I've got no issue with the article being as pointed as it was. It makes sense... it's essentially an expose/rebuttal to Meyer's claims that he didn't know. Her interview on the other hand comes across as more personal recounting of what happened... and yet is still pointed with the remark I found odd... It's not the end of the world, just seemed a little off-putting to not own any of the blame between yourself and your family and yet mention that the coach and his wife have a "duty".
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:19 pm to fibonaccisquared
love of money root of all evil
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:21 pm to IAmNERD
no just saying and responding,its all about media attention...cfb live and around horn..thats what it will take
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:34 pm to fibonaccisquared
She’s attacking Urban because she feels he knowingly manipulated things/people at his disposal for personal gain & of no concern for her or her children.
I believe this to be 100% the case as well.
Urban isn’t any different than most elite leadership other than not being quite smart enough to pull off a very risky play & getting caught.
In case anyone doubted it or had forgotten, Urban is a complete POS as a human being. Next time pick up the phone & thank Earl Bruce for everything he’s done for you, but his douche bag grandson is beyond being just a liability and the program can no longer associate nor protect him.
You have a choice as a leader.. enable, cover up or squish the problem. If this was the mob, Zach Smith would be sleeping with the fish & there would be no more abuse or problems for the family/tOSU.
Urban took the low road out & just got jacked.
I believe this to be 100% the case as well.
Urban isn’t any different than most elite leadership other than not being quite smart enough to pull off a very risky play & getting caught.
In case anyone doubted it or had forgotten, Urban is a complete POS as a human being. Next time pick up the phone & thank Earl Bruce for everything he’s done for you, but his douche bag grandson is beyond being just a liability and the program can no longer associate nor protect him.
You have a choice as a leader.. enable, cover up or squish the problem. If this was the mob, Zach Smith would be sleeping with the fish & there would be no more abuse or problems for the family/tOSU.
Urban took the low road out & just got jacked.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:38 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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she feels he knowingly manipulated things/people at his disposal for personal gain & of no concern for her or her children.
Where is the evidence that this happened? I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying I haven't seen it thus far.
I think most of us agree that Urban is a piece of shite... that's not up for debate.
But specifically, other than lying to the media when asked, what did *he* do to manipulate people/things for personal gain? I saw where her *family* told her not to escalate things because he would get fired. I didn't see where anyone has shown that Urban urged her not to? I saw a mention of a staffer saying something but didn't actually see the "proof" of that, so not sure if it was accurate or just rumor.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 4:42 pm to fibonaccisquared
steroid look on zach smith
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