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re: AP- Poll is out Week 11

Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by Finch
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Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:54 pm to
Toledo dropped out?

No Texas Tech?


There goes 2 of Arky's quality losses
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20455 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:59 pm to
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Let's not act like Bama has had a rough road either


Again, Bama played and destroyed teams on the road that were fully loaded and top 10 at the time, that right off is way more of a set of schedule tests than OSU. Surely this is obvious to you. Furthermore, this has been addressed numerous times that a team can go into a game worthy of its rank and get dismantled, in particular at the QB position, to a point where they don't recover. The revisionists amongst the CFB world love to gloss over this dynamic. That's fine...OSU doesn't want to talk of strength of schedule, especially now that Mich St finally took their medicine. There won't be any marquee wins for OSU now on their whole schedule.

So let's look at another item, you stated:

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If nearly counted for anything, Bama might have another national championship


Ok, so I put basically no weight into "nearly" when I used it referencing OSU and their close call(s), I just noted it as a matter of course. So you used that in making your case as to why OSU should be ranked above Bama however you also stated:

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Before last night, they had played exactly no one


Alright so if "nearly" doesn't count, then "before lest night" doesn't count either because last night actually happened. So since we are basing things on actual losses vs actual wins, Bama's ONE significant win against LSU easily trumps OSU's entire schedule of wins thus far combined. Alabama's loss to Ole Miss was to a better team than any team OSU has played as well so it just seems rather disingenuous to place OSU above Bama in just about any measurement at this moment.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:33 pm to
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top 10 at the time


This voids everything else that you said.

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why OSU should be ranked above Bama


I never made any case for where Ohio State should be ranked. I don't care where they are ranked until December, and I am fine with anywhere between 1 and 4 when that time comes. Ohio State did pretty well being ranked below Bama last season. I'm just not going to let Bama fans run their mouths unchecked when there's very little to back it up.

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Bama's ONE significant win against LSU easily trumps OSU's entire schedule of wins thus far combined.


There's no way anyone actually believes this stuff. With your "logic" Northwestern and Ole Miss should both be ranked above Bama because they each have more impressive wins. Doesn't matter what the rest of their schedule looks like or who they lost to.

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ama's loss to Ole Miss was to a better team than any team OSU has played




Ole Miss got killed by Florida, controlled by Memphis, and lost to Arkansas at home. They wouldn't even be bowl eligible with Ohio State's schedule.
Posted by gatortrav88
Member since Oct 2014
3807 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:44 pm to
You gotta be smoking crack to think ole miss couldn't win 6 games with that schedule lol
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
65773 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:02 pm to
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Let's not act like Bama has had a rough road either.

Bama has played a harder Big 10 schedule than tOSU has this year. Fact.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:11 pm to
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You gotta be smoking crack to think ole miss couldn't win 6 games with that schedule lol


Ole Miss would lose three games before October.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:13 pm to


Whatever makes you feel better. At least Bama can beat one Big Ten team. Wisconsin wasn't an impressive win, but it is Bama's second best win.
Posted by gatortrav88
Member since Oct 2014
3807 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:18 pm to
Please name the 3 teams should be a good laugh

I just checked va tech, Hawaii, western Michigan, & northern Illinois lolz yep ole miss would lose 3 of those

You'd think osu never had that pathetic run against sec teams the way they poke their chest out now
This post was edited on 11/8/15 at 8:25 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:24 pm to
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Please name the 3 teams should be a good laugh


Hawaii, NIU, and Western Michigan. They should be able to get by Virginia Tech, but that's not a guarantee.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:25 pm to
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I just checked va tech, Hawaii, western Michigan, & northern Illinois lolz yep ole miss would lose 3 of those




Running your mouth about it, then had to look it up. Typical.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20455 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:55 pm to
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This voids everything else that you said.


Nope, at the time is germane to the discussion because there was a reason they were ranked that high. Their performance on the field up to that point had earned the respected teams their rankings. A train runs fine until it runs into a wall, if it winds up in the scrapyard after the encounter with the wall, it doesn't mean it wasn't a fine train up until that point...

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I never made any case for where Ohio State should be ranked


Anyone who looks into the exchange with multiple parties can see that you were alluding to where OSU should be ranked vs Bama.

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I'm just not going to let Bama fans run their mouths unchecked when there's very little to back it up.


I wasn't running my mouth, I was countering a swipe made towards Bama with plenty to back it up.

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There's no way anyone actually believes this stuff. With your "logic" Northwestern and Ole Miss should both be ranked above Bama because they each have more impressive wins. Doesn't matter what the rest of their schedule looks like or who they lost to.


You're trying to run circles with the entire discussion with this. You set up strawmen arguments with this and make it difficult to stay on point. I will say that no I am not using any argument for your scenario...these teams have multiple losses. The comparison is between OSU and a ONE LOSS Alabama.

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Ole Miss got killed by Florida, controlled by Memphis, and lost to Arkansas at home. They wouldn't even be bowl eligible with Ohio State's schedule.


Mercy, this pablum speaks for itself...
Posted by mightysooner
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Jun 2015
1252 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:29 pm to
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Lsu should be top 5, they would destroy Iowa, ND and Okie st.




No.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:53 pm to
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Nope, at the time is germane to the discussion because there was a reason they were ranked that high.


Of course there was a reason. That doesn't give the ranking any value. Remember when Auburn was 6th? Oregon 7th? Same as Georgia, they were both horrendously overrated. You don't really believe a win over Georgia or Auburn in September has the same weight as a win over Bama or Oklahoma State in November, do you? There's really no point in continuing if you don't understand this very simple concept.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20455 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:08 pm to
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Remember when Auburn was 6th? Oregon 7th?


Not to sound cruel but there is a huge gap in talent between UGA with Chubb and the teams Auburn and Oregon put on the field this year. It may be something you have to not do a knee jerk reaction with...In the first few games, UGA didn't struggle to the end with an FCS school like Auburn. UGA didn't get blown out like Oregon did by Utah 62-who cares and get beat by a mediocre Michigan State. With Chubb, UGA only got beat by Alabama and would still be a top tier team with him. Clearly Auburn and Oregon were over-rated, UGA...not so much.
Posted by BearBait09
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
2308 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:47 pm to
so basically everyone Alabama beat is amazing, everyone Alabama lost to got a ton of lucky breaks, and everyone Alabama hasn't played Alabama would beat.

you're as useful as Phyllis.
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
2143 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:50 pm to
teams are going to just stack up against the run and force that LSU quarterback to beat them. they will lose at least one more time.

lol, UGA was overrated, they don't have a QB or an elite defense.
This post was edited on 11/8/15 at 11:52 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:53 pm to
Georgia might finish the year at 9-3 and ranked. That will end up being a decent win. Right now though, it's just another win over an unranked opponent. It's certainly not a top ten win.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20455 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:03 am to
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so basically everyone Alabama beat is amazing


No, basically you would be wrong...

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everyone Alabama lost to got a ton of lucky breaks


Really? "Everyone" only means Ole Miss and if you don't think Ole Miss caught a whole slew of breaks and bounces, you might be beyond help.

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and everyone Alabama hasn't played Alabama would beat.


Vegas pretty much thinks this.

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you're as useful as Phyllis.


Thanks, Phyllis rocks and is entertaining...she is much more useful than the Ole Miss mascot by the way!

Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20455 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:09 am to
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Georgia might finish the year at 9-3 and ranked. That will end up being a decent win. Right now though, it's just another win over an unranked opponent


Yep, we shall see...

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It's certainly not a top ten win.


So someone needs to tell this to anyone who pitches an early season game because when I checked it sure was advertised as such before the train wreck went down. We need to just do away with rankings, period, by your logic until the whole season has played out because a team with a lofty ranking can be diminished any given week to detract from the resume' of any other team that has played them so why rank any team at all during the season when they might be a poser? Seems that way when the only metric we can gauge a team by is wins and losses without looking deeper into the wins and losses.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 11:11 am
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:03 pm to
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So someone needs to tell this to anyone who pitches an early season game because when I checked it sure was advertised as such before the train wreck went down. We need to just do away with rankings, period, by your logic until the whole season has played out because a team with a lofty ranking can be diminished any given week to detract from the resume' of any other team that has played them so why rank any team at all during the season when they might be a poser? Seems that way when the only metric we can gauge a team by is wins and losses without looking deeper into the wins and losses.


Myself and many others have advocated for rankings to be put off until October. That would make sense. No more preseason hype that continues to inflate rankings throughout the season. No more "at the time" nonsense. It would drastically improve the quality at which teams are evaluated.

That's not the only problem with claiming Georgia. If they had one loss, to Bama, your argument would matter. They have two other losses to average teams that also must be considered.
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