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Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:01 pm to
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
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Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:01 pm to
It's funny, I do recall a lot of smack about 'the guru' between the '07 Chik-fil-a Bowl win over Clemson and the '08 opener.

By the end of the MSU game no one in orange and blue believed in Franklin anymore.

You have to admit, the Cult of Dennis went on for a little longer. In fact, right up until he got on the plane to College Station.

Worked out alright for y'all in the end, though. I hope the suffering we Boogs go through over the next few years is as good for us as 2000-2006 was for Bama.
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 5:02 pm
Posted by BamaChick
Terminus
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

Worked out alright for y'all in the end


Yep and that's why that video is absolutely hilarious in hindsight.

But living through it? Sucked a dirty sock.

And now old Fran is back where he started - HC of North Texas. lol

I wonder if they still do Kim's Corner?
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:10 pm to
quote:

Before he came to us


Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19772 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:11 pm to
I know this means nothing coming from a Barner, but I knew Dennis was a mistake the moment y'all hired him. Oh, it looked like a great decision in the '01 Iron Bowl, but the guy is just not that good of a coach, and is a bigger snake oil salesman than Tuberville (if that's possible).

FWIW I felt the same way about Terry Bowden at AU. Of course winning his first 20 games took away some of my disfavor, but it turned out my initial assessment of him was correct.

ETA: Saban has worked out exactly like I expected he would when you hired him. Dammit.
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 5:12 pm
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10152 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:15 pm to
The whole controversy started when an LSU fan posted a supposed post-game tirade of Saban's in the locker room after the previous game. It referred to Bama as being cheaters and had a ring of realism because it started with Saban yelling at Jordy to get out of the locker room.

It was posted on Tiger's Lair, a pay site for LSU fans. I was a member at the time. The poster, whose name I can't recall, owned up to it being false after getting blamed for the loss. Saban knew nothing about it until after the Bama game.
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 5:17 pm
Posted by BamaChick
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Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:21 pm to
Not according to Drac, he said it happened.

I tend to believe your version more just because Saban is not that stupid.

I bet he spews that kind of venom in private but not around anyone he doesn't trust.
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10152 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:28 pm to
It definitely didn't happen. The guy even apologized to Saban and the team for how he contributed to the loss.
Posted by SECFan413
Cookeville,TN
Member since Jan 2009
1017 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:31 pm to
quote:

t definitely didn't happen. The guy even apologized to Saban and the team for how he contributed to the loss.


Did the midfield altercation really happen?

If it did, who initiated it? Fran or Saban?

I have heard about the spat, but I've never seen video nor heard any details about the actual incident.
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10152 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:33 pm to
The confrontation at midfield did happen. I'm sure there's video of it out there.

The locker room speech was definitely made up.

quote:

who initiated it? Fran or Saban?

Fran. Saban knew nothing about it. (He didn't read internet message boards back then.)
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 5:35 pm
Posted by BamaChick
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Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:33 pm to
It did.

Fran got all up on him like a bitch.

Saban looked bewildered because he didn't know where Fran's venom came from.

It was all pretty stupid.

I have looked and looked for a video but have had no luck.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19772 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:33 pm to
quote:

Saban knew nothing about it until after the Bama game.
Your analysis was spot on, up until this sentence.

Saban knew about it beforehand, because I was listening Finebaum asked him about it during the week between the Bluegrass Miracle and the LSU-Bama game. Saban said that he would never say things like that about an opponent to his team, especially in the lockerroom immediately after a game (not to mention the incredible finish of the game in question). He went on to say he had tremendous respect for the Alabama program (foreshadowing?) and was looking forward to facing them on the field that Saturday.

Of course Dennis knew all this, and still acted like the flaming a-hole that he clearly is. Karma, baby.

BTW, the best part of the fake Saban Bama rant wasn't the talk about cheating - it was what he allegedly called them: "those sons of bitches with the numbers on their helmets". I always admired that turn of phrase.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:34 pm to
quote:

Not according to Drac, he said it happened.


I was just fricking with you
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10152 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 5:38 pm to
quote:

Saban knew nothing about it until after the Bama game.

quote:

Your analysis was spot on, up until this sentence.

I admit I could be wrong about the timing.
Posted by 87BAMAGRAD
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
949 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 6:23 pm to
quote:

Saban said a bunch of nasty things about Alabama


I remember that...2002, Bama on probation, poised to win the west without a trip to Atlanta. Bama mantra was "Best team from the west won't go to Atlanta". Saban was alleged to have said "frick that" and called us "assholes with numbers on their helmets".

But I also heard a different story, that Saban had tried to contact a Bama assistant without permission from Bama, and that Franphony was livid about that.

Who knows? The moral is the story is frick Dennis Franchionne and his nasally lisping arse.
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10152 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 6:52 pm to
I just found this, which was posted on this site. It's supposed to be the alleged speech:

Transcript of Coach Saban speech to team after game

The Kid says:
{PLAYERS CHEERING, BREATHING, MIXED EMOTIONS, LOCKERS
SLAMMING}

Alright... everybody get in here, take a knee. No I mean it get in close, I
want everybody in close together, because I can barely talk. Jordy get the
hell out of here.


{PLAYERS GATHER IN}

Everybody quiet...QUIET. Some of you juniors and seniors, it's going on
three years and by now you guys know me well enough to know that
there's no way in hell I can really be happy about this game. And I'm sorry.
I know it's a big thing for everybody else -- and it's a great feeling, and it's
better to be on this end of it than the other end. But for those of you who
know me, you know that I can't be happy about this. Maybe inside of your
own heads you can, but I can't. There came a point in this game where in
the third quarter, both offensively and defensively when we should have put
this game away. I give all the credit in the world to the players in that other
locker room, but we should have dominated that team over there realtive to
the strengths on this football team and the strengths on that one.

And I'll tell you I'm angry about it. Unfortunately for us, they're going to be
replaying this game all week -- you're going to hear about this game all the
time. But instead of saturating your minds with this, I challenge each and
every one of you to do something different. Instead of the 24-hour rule
that we have, let's take this game, this game because what happened out
there was so unusual relative to reality, relative to what normally happens,
let's take this game and say "You know what, we're going to change our 24
hour rule into a 24-minute rule." Meaning that it'll be over as soon as we're
done here.

The reason I say that is because I can't think of any other way to re-direct
my anger about what went on in the second half of that football game
today. And when I think of the Alabama game, I see a tremendous
oppotunity for us to rectify what went on here today. Of course, Alabama
can't win the SEC Championship -- and we're the defending SEC
Champions. So this is their SEC Championship. They're over there saying
"Oh the NCAA stopped us from going to going to the championship, so we
we're going to show them that we're the best team in the conference by
beating LSU in Baton Rouge. Can you imagine the f**k*ng nerve. Can you
imagine the F**king nerve. Another words, we got caught cheating, so
we're going to go out and show the rest of the conference
that we're really
the best team, even though we're cheaters. I'll tell you right now, I'mnot
letting that bulls**t happen to our SEC Championsip. Well, that's our SEC
Championship. That's our SECChampionship that we earned on the field.
That's our SEC Championship that the kids over there with thousands of
dollars in their pockets are trying to redeem their season with.

I guarantee to you that will be the best team we've faced all year. Probably
the only one that's so obviously broken the rules. I mean do we get to do
pas intereference all game? Dominick, you look like you've been through hell
today, brusises all over -- at the end of the game do I say, here's
$200,000? Have I ever given you $200,000? Believe me, I'd like to -- but
that's the rules. That's the rules.

{SILENCE}
{SABAN, HIS VOICE BEGINNING TO CRACK}
I'll tell you the answer - No. Hell No. F**K No. I am a competitor. I want win
with what I earned,what we as a team have earned -- not with what I some
f**king booster gave me. Everyone in this room wanted to come here --
and maybe some of you were offered money to go otherplaces. What F**
King nerve -- we don't want the team in Atanta to be the best team in
conference????? Are you kidding me??? If no one else says it I'll say it.
THAT IS BULLSH**T. Let me tell you something, the best will be in Atlanta
this year. Whether it's us or somebody else. After we get through with
Alabama, no one will doubt that the best team will be in Atlanta.

And you know what, I don't care if Tyler Watts and every kid on that team
is driving a Lexus...

IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER

I don't care if we have to physically make the referees look at the ******
Jumbotron on every F***king play

IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER

I don't care of if all of their players get a Chrsitmas bonus and a 401k
plan...

IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER

I don't care if Matt's out for this season...If Toe's got a broken arm...If
Damon leaves the team...If marcus is playing on half a leg...

IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER

If you're an American, if you like to compete, if you like football then those
sh*tholes with numbers on their helmets coming into Tiger Stadium --
talking with all of their bulls**T about the best team in the conference

should make you very, very ANGRY. This is a stake in the coffin game. Get
close everybody. I know there have been a lot of distractions -- I don't give
a sh*t abbout anything else that's going on. From a coaching standpoint,
Coach Fischer and Coach Muschamp and all of us are going to put you in a
position to win that game -- and I don't mean like last year when we kind of
dominated the game, but only won by two touchdowns. I mean a total F**
ing game from everyone on team.

Is there anybody in this room who thinks we've put together a complete
game this year -- anybody? No. Well, from this moment on -- understand
it, feel it, know it that everything we do this week relative to preparation
right up and execution of every moment -- right up until the very last
second of that game will be focussed on total and complete domination.

LINK
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 6:54 pm
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10152 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 7:30 pm to
Gonna let it rest after this, but this should clear everything up:

Harsh words following 2002 LSU-Alabama game linger

By GLENN GUILBEAU
gguilbeau@theadvocate.com
Advocate sportswriter


It has been nearly a year, and Alabama has had two coaching changes since it happened.

But what happened between former Alabama coach Dennis Franchione and LSU coach Nick Saban at midfield of Tiger Stadium following the Crimson Tide's 31-0 victory over the Tigers last season lingers still.

The spanking by the Tide was LSU's worst shutout loss since the 1950 Sugar Bowl when Oklahoma beat LSU 35-0. Yet the epilogue and prologue to the game smarts perhaps more than the game itself.

"For them to come in here and beat us like that and for coach Franchione not to shake his (Saban's) hand, it's going to be a war out there," LSU defensive end Marquise Hill said.

No. 4 LSU (8-1, 4-1 Southeastern Conference) plays at Alabama (4-6, 2-4) at 6:45 p.m. Saturday on ESPN. Franchione will not be there. He left Alabama after the season to become Texas A&M's coach. He was replaced by Mike Price, who was fired for his conduct and replaced by Mike Shula.

Not only did Franchione not shake Saban's hand after the game, he said unfriendly words to him, according to witnesses.

"I'll never forget what happened after that game," said LSU punter Donnie Jones, who was near the midfield meeting. "I was actually shocked. Coach Franchione would not shake hands, and I remember thinking, 'I can't believe this.' That really disappointed me about coach Franchione. I saw the whole thing. It was totally uncalled for. He (Franchione) was really upset. I lost a lot of respect for the man."

Jones said he could not hear what was said, though.

Jason Jacobs, a Louisiana State Police trooper assigned to Franchione, heard the conversation.

"I don't remember the exact verbiage, but I know it was very mean," Jacobs said Tuesday. "I know it was very mean spirited and wasn't something I thought was very professional."

The reason Franchione, whose team had just dominated LSU 477 yards to 196 on LSU's field to move to 9-2 and 6-1 in the SEC, was upset, according to Jacobs and Saban, was a speech that Franchione believed Saban gave to his team following LSU's victory the week before at Kentucky.

A copy of the supposed speech, which included Saban ripping Alabama for committing NCAA violations and being on probation, was circulated on the Internet early in the week before the game. The posting was not signed nor did it have any attribution, yet it caused a firestorm among Franchione, Alabama's players and in the Alabama media.

The Internet posting was admitted to being completely false later in the week by its author, former LSU student Michael Ritter.

"I meant it as a joke," Ritter said in an interview Tuesday from New York, where he is a freelance writer. "I was really fired up about the Alabama game. It was really about my years of hatred for Alabama. I am a huge LSU fan. I was mad because Alabama was on probation and still had the best team in the league."

As Ritter's message backfired on the Internet, Ritter's cousin, C. Michael Ritter of Lafayette contacted him, then posted an apology on the Internet on Thursday before the game. But it was too late.

"I had no idea so many people would read what I wrote and believe it," Ritter said from New York.

"Anyone can post anything on the Internet," Jones said. "I was in the locker room after the Kentucky game, and coach Saban hardly said anything about Alabama. I couldn't believe Alabama believed it."

Alabama sports information director Larry White said Tuesday that days before the game last year he told Franchione that the speech was probably not true.

"I can't remember what he said after I told him," White said. "Sometimes with coaches, there's not a lot of dialogue."

Franchione was asked about last year's game on the Big 12 teleconference Monday.

"It was a unique week," he said. "I really haven't given it much thought. I've put it behind me."

Franchione did not return calls to Texas A&M on Tuesday. He said the week after the game last season that, "There's been information passed along to us now that would indicate that it's not true."

But on game day last year, it seemed the entire Alabama staff and players believed the speech.

"The coaching staff last year made us believe it," Alabama guard Justin Smiley told reporters Tuesday in Tuscaloosa. "Now, I'm not so sure that was the truth. I think somebody made it up."

Few Alabama players felt that way at the game.

"I just remember them being disrespectful about us before the game," LSU's Hill said. "But we didn't really pay them a lot of attention. We were like, 'What are you talking about?' What they were talking about never happened."

Saban said Alabama players were cussing him about the supposed speech during pre-game warmups. Saban said he asked an Alabama manager to ask Franchione to meet on the field before the game, but Franchione refused until after the game.

Saban said he opened the conversation at midfield after the game by saying, "Fran, you do know I didn't say any of that."

Then Franchione pointed to Saban and got close to Saban.

"I was standing right there after the game," Jacobs said. "Coach Saban had this look like, 'I can't believe what he said.'

Television replays of the meeting show Saban looking dumbfounded. He never answered Franchione, who then walked away with Jacobs.

"It was the most embarrassing situation that I've ever experienced as a coach," Saban said Monday. "For their players and their coaching staff to respond to me like they did for something that I never ever even did, it's unfortunate. I'd like to apologize, but it's hard to apologize when you didn't do anything."

Ritter did apologize to Saban a week or so after the Alabama game. Saban acknowledged Monday that he received the apology.
Posted by FTBLFN
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2010
5446 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 7:32 pm to
Posted by TracyWolfsonsmole
Member since Nov 2008
1034 posts
Posted on 1/14/11 at 7:46 pm to
Fran was a fraud...of course hindsight is always 20/20, and looking back, the incident after the game is embarrassing. However, at the time, I thoroughly enjoyed the arse whipping Fran and Bama administered that night.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37925 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:37 pm to
good one!!
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