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Analysis of White's hit on Fitzgerald vs Wilson's hit on Guarantano
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:24 am
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:24 am
The next three posts are copies of an anaysis (not mine) posted on another board.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the analysis or the way the rule is written or applied.
However, the analysis is pretty informative since it includes links to video clips as well as the written rule.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the analysis or the way the rule is written or applied.
However, the analysis is pretty informative since it includes links to video clips as well as the written rule.
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:24 am to TidalSurge1
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This ejection seems to be a thing, so I spent some time studying White's hit on Fitz vs. Mack's hit on Guarantano.
The reason White was ejected and not Mack is that White launched. Watch the 11 second mark of this clip. White has a bad angle (you can see earlier in the clip) and he has to kind of jump cut to get to Fitz. At the 11-second mark he leaves his feet, which seems to cause his facemask to make contact with the helmet. Fitz is classified as defenseless, so that's contact to the head or neck with an indicator of targeting (launching). I am not defending the rule as written, but that's my understanding of why it played out the way it did.
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:24 am to TidalSurge1
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For comparison, in this clip note that Mack has at least one foot on the ground at all times, and (when he makes contact) his helmet is entirely below the helmet of the UT quarterback.
The moral of the story really is that if you're hitting the passer, DO NOT leave your feet. A lot of people want to know how you avoid tageting in this situation - that's the teaching point they want you to learn.
Remember, Fitz is over 6'5". If White stays on his feet, this ejection never happens, because White should hit him in the chest. Without defending if it's good for the game, I wanted to clarify that the goal of the rule here is to force teams to coach the launch (jump) into a QB out of the game.
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:24 am to TidalSurge1
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As kray said, Mack clearly ran through the QB. One of the things the rule looks for is an indicator of targeting. The most common indicator is leading with the helmet or forearm to the head. White did not do this, which is why so many are frustrated.
But White did initiate contact by jumping into the player. Under the rule, that's viewed the same as leading with his helmet. I get that many see it as a ticky-tacky or misguided distinction, but I wanted to explain that it IS a distinction under the rule.
The rule:
No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:25 am to TidalSurge1
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:29 am to TidalSurge1
Already off to a bad start. White did not "launch"
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:32 am to TidalSurge1
I wasn't even really mad about White getting ejected but reading all that bullshite "analysis" is kinda getting me there 
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:32 am to TidalSurge1
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A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Soooo, pretty much what Mack Wilson did?
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:33 am to TidalSurge1
Good try but a) L7U fans have a different broadcast because they don’t see any of what you just said, and b) you make too much common sense for them.
Bama paid SEC officials to make Devin White hit Fitz just close enough, mind you, waiting for a 2nd half series, so that Bama might have a chance to make it to the playoffs, AGAIN. They wouldn’t be able to stay on the field with the Tigahs, otherwise.
Bama paid SEC officials to make Devin White hit Fitz just close enough, mind you, waiting for a 2nd half series, so that Bama might have a chance to make it to the playoffs, AGAIN. They wouldn’t be able to stay on the field with the Tigahs, otherwise.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:34 am to TidalSurge1
Please add that VOLS did not act little bitches after the hit on JG.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:35 am to Buster180
AMEN!
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:35 am to TidalSurge1
Shut up with your lame and ignorant reasoning. It was a BS call and the Gumps in the SEC office approve.
Perhaps the SEC office should just let Orgeron handle it internally.
Perhaps the SEC office should just let Orgeron handle it internally.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:36 am to TidalSurge1
If White launched I’m completely lost on the definition of launching.
We fricking all know what launching looks like and we all fricking know White did not launch
We fricking all know what launching looks like and we all fricking know White did not launch
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:37 am to Buster180
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Please add that VOLS did not act little bitches after the hit on JG.
Nah, UT just plays like little bitches past 10+ years
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:38 am to roguetiger15
If you need three posts and a few hundred words to explain a rule, it's probably not a great rule
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:38 am to ksrph
Gotta love the ref making fitz go to the sideline after that “helmet to helmet” hit. Fitz was like “dude he didn’t even hit me I’m fine” and the ref still made him go to the sideline. He stayed on the side for one play and came back in.
That entire sequence of events is just a head scratcher.
That entire sequence of events is just a head scratcher.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:48 am to TidalSurge1
I don't think either hit was targeting. I don't think White "launched" himself. I think he shoved the QB down just after the release. I think that if any helmet contact was made, it was due to White's proper technique of keeping his head up, and perhaps the facemasks made slight contact. If he didn't have his head up, he would've been leading with his helmet, and that WOULD'VE been targeting.
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I'm just glad the Tigers won, and came out of the game without significant injuries. Hopefully they will get everyone back and be at full strength in 2 weeks.
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I'm just glad the Tigers won, and came out of the game without significant injuries. Hopefully they will get everyone back and be at full strength in 2 weeks.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:51 am to Choctaw
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White did not "launch"
He left his feet
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:51 am to Choupique19
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Shut up with your lame and ignorant reasoning. It was a BS call and the Gumps in the SEC office approve.
Perhaps the SEC office should just let Orgeron handle it internally.
Apparently you struggle significantly with reading comprehension. I clearly stated that it's not my analysis and that I was not passing judgement on the analysis or the targeting rule.
Your other remark appears to apply to Raekwon Davis not being ejected from the Bama vs Mizzou game and/or suspended for the 1st half of the Bama vs UT game for punching the Mizzou player. Imo, he should've been.
Maybe you're unaware that Bama did proactively take appropriate action. They promptly reviewed film, contacted the SEC office and chose to withhold Davis from the first half of the Bama vs UT game.
This post was edited on 10/21/18 at 10:30 am
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:54 am to Choupique19
Maybe a good ole team vote is in order
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