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re: Alabama only returns 4 starters on offense next year.
Posted on 3/21/09 at 4:20 pm to TT9
Posted on 3/21/09 at 4:20 pm to TT9
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does'nt lsu have to replace some o-lineman as well? and their starter goin into the season really only has 1 start under his belt....
Not sure where you're getting your info, but LSU returns both OT's..arguably the 2nd most important position on the football team...and a guard. In addition, TE Richard Dickson is back, so that gives LSU 4/6 on the OL for returning starters.
OL is one of the deepest areas of the Tiger team. We have already seen how the Bama line looks without Andre Smith.
Like I said, Bama will struggle early, but will regroup and have a fine season. They just won't win the west.
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Posted on 3/21/09 at 4:22 pm to Alahunter
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Yep. Georgia will definately be better without Stafford and Moreno.
I think it's safe to say UGA will be slightly worse at the skill positions, and slightly better on the line. Whether or not that's an improvement remains to be seen.
This post was edited on 3/21/09 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 3/21/09 at 4:25 pm to Crimsonpanther13
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McElroy played 5A ball in TX and led his team to state ch. senior year. 4000+ passing yards and 50+ TDs in that ONE YEAR. I know it's high school ball, but come on. 4000+ passing in one year in hs? Really? That's gotta say something about his ability.
It's now four years since he graduated from high school. Forget high school already, what has he done in college?
Jordan Jefferson has thrown more passes in three quarters than McElroy has in three years. And it's not even a given that McElroy is named the starter.
I think McElroy, if he is picked as starter, will be fine by the end of the year, AFTER the OL gets their feet under them. Early on, he will struggle.
This post was edited on 3/21/09 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 3/21/09 at 4:40 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Any close Tide victory from last year is a candidate for a defeat this year.
So, based on that logic, LSU should lose to an improved Arkansas and Ole Miss once again?
It depends who has improved more. But this thread is about Alabama.
I think it's safe to say Alabama will be about the same on defense but worse on offense in 2009.
Posted on 3/21/09 at 7:35 pm to HeartOfGeauxld
LSU doesn't return their whole defense, but they return a pretty deep secondary. They also were already deep at DL(also LB) and bring in two huge DT recruits. As far as offense goes they have way more experience at QB now. They have an elite(prolly one of the top NFL WR prospects of '10) WR, #1 WR recruit of '09, and #2 WR recruit of '07 to throw to next year. I have a feeling Russell Shepard will play more of a slot position and come in and do a little time at QB. RBs are the same as last year with most of the line returning.
It is easily debatable that LSU has the second best combination of offense and defense for '09. So even with a lot defense returning for Bama the lack of offensive experience will be a huge concern with Ole Miss and LSU looking to really good.
It is easily debatable that LSU has the second best combination of offense and defense for '09. So even with a lot defense returning for Bama the lack of offensive experience will be a huge concern with Ole Miss and LSU looking to really good.
Posted on 3/21/09 at 7:40 pm to lsutiger2486
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It is easily debatable that LSU has the second best combination of offense and defense for '09
Not really.
Florida
Alabama
Tennessee
Lsu/Auburn 4th or 5th.
This post was edited on 3/21/09 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 3/21/09 at 7:48 pm to Alahunter
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It is easily debatable that LSU has the second best combination of offense and defense for '09
Not really.
Florida
Alabama
Tennessee
Lsu/Auburn 4th or 5th.
We just stated Alabama returns 4 starters on offense. How can they have the best combination. Alabama defense is not great enough to completely disregard the other when considering the offense and the defense at the same time.
Florida has Tebow and is returning their whole defense so obviously they are #1. LSU has basically the same situation they had last year on offense with way more experience and depth at QB. I would say LSU will compete with Ole Miss to have the second best offense. LSU lost some people on defense, but was very deep and return a lot of people. I think with the coaching change they will be one of the top defenses behind UF and Bama.
I am saying considering how good each unit of the each team at the same time. LSU is 2/3 on offense and LSU will be in the debate for the 3rd best defensive unit.
LSU had a lot of depth at DL and LB. They now will have an experienced secondary which was a weakness last year. The DC position was a huge weakness also. I expect Chavis to have the defensive talent performing more closely to their potential. So I wouldn't say they were in the top 2 defensive units and were a for sure #3; however, I think they will be in the debate for 3.
This post was edited on 3/21/09 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 3/21/09 at 7:54 pm to lsutiger2486
Lsu ranked 4th and 5th last year in total offense in the SEC and will basically be starting another new QB with only 2 games experience. There will be growing pains to a degree again. I think Lsu will probably have around 3rd to 4th best this coming year again, outside possibility of 5th. Who knows with Bama, I don't at this point.
Defense... just because you got Chavis doesn't put or move yall up. Yall lost starters, that finished middle of the pack. Replacing them with folks not as good as them, will not make them 2nd or 3rd best in the conference. Do they have potential? Absolutely, but until evidence shows they can make up the ground they lost last year, I have to put Florida, Bama, Tennessee ahead, with a possibility of Ole Miss also.
I think Lsu has the potential to be 2nd best, yes. But at this point, I can't say they are, based on their performance last year and uncertainty of how the will respond from it. Just my opinion and maybe wrong, just how I see it as of today.
Defense... just because you got Chavis doesn't put or move yall up. Yall lost starters, that finished middle of the pack. Replacing them with folks not as good as them, will not make them 2nd or 3rd best in the conference. Do they have potential? Absolutely, but until evidence shows they can make up the ground they lost last year, I have to put Florida, Bama, Tennessee ahead, with a possibility of Ole Miss also.
I think Lsu has the potential to be 2nd best, yes. But at this point, I can't say they are, based on their performance last year and uncertainty of how the will respond from it. Just my opinion and maybe wrong, just how I see it as of today.
Posted on 3/21/09 at 8:17 pm to Alahunter
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Lsu ranked 4th and 5th last year in total offense in the SEC and will basically be starting another new QB with only 2 games experience. There will be growing pains to a degree again. I think Lsu will probably have around 3rd to 4th best this coming year again, outside possibility of 5th. Who knows with Bama, I don't at this point. Defense... just because you got Chavis doesn't put or move yall up. Yall lost starters, that finished middle of the pack. Replacing them with folks not as good as them, will not make them 2nd or 3rd best in the conference. Do they have potential? Absolutely, but until evidence shows they can make up the ground they lost last year, I have to put Florida, Bama, Tennessee ahead, with a possibility of Ole Miss also. I think Lsu has the potential to be 2nd best, yes. But at this point, I can't say they are, based on their performance last year and uncertainty of how the will respond from it. Just my opinion and maybe wrong, just how I see it as of today.
Ala, you are worse than I am at getting offtopic. Look up at the topic's name...do you see LSU in there?
This thread is about Alabama. I know you Bammers are fixated on LSU, but trust me, the Tide has a lot more to worry about next year than just LSU. Ole Miss, is just one of the other teams that can't wait to play you.
Want to talk about LSU's chances next year? Make a thread.
[bonks Alahunter on the head]
Posted on 3/21/09 at 8:36 pm to Alahunter
I am pretty confident with who is coming back that UGA and Bama will not have a better offense than LSU. UF will have the best offense and #2 will be between Arkansas, Ole Miss, and LSU. We could finish as low as 4th, but experience at QB will make a big difference. Our QB play will be better than last year and that will make a huge difference on offense.
LSU probably ranks in the top 3 of raw talent in the league, and this year have more experience in key positions that truly hurt the team last year.
With some other teams slipping it is easy to make a case for #2 in combination of units. I would expect alot of teams at on defense to be closer than the teams that are good in offense.
LSU loses two offensive lineman and a FB basically on offense. Losing Byrd(WR) on offense will not be a huge loss. The other losses will probably not be huge since we return both tackles(one being a possible top pick in the '10 NFL draft).
On defense we lose mainly a DE and a LB. They were awesome players, but the other DE will step up to be the guy next year and we have a ton of LBs. I think the big upgrade at DC and an experienced secondary will make a huge difference. If you don't think that then you didn't watch LSU football.
LSU probably ranks in the top 3 of raw talent in the league, and this year have more experience in key positions that truly hurt the team last year.
With some other teams slipping it is easy to make a case for #2 in combination of units. I would expect alot of teams at on defense to be closer than the teams that are good in offense.
LSU loses two offensive lineman and a FB basically on offense. Losing Byrd(WR) on offense will not be a huge loss. The other losses will probably not be huge since we return both tackles(one being a possible top pick in the '10 NFL draft).
On defense we lose mainly a DE and a LB. They were awesome players, but the other DE will step up to be the guy next year and we have a ton of LBs. I think the big upgrade at DC and an experienced secondary will make a huge difference. If you don't think that then you didn't watch LSU football.
Posted on 3/21/09 at 8:40 pm to HeartOfGeauxld
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Ole Miss, is just one of the other teams that can't wait to play you.
How many times have we heard that one over the years? Same song, different tune. I know Ole Miss has lots to play for in 2009, but considering that Alabama always finds a way to beat the Rebels, I'm confident enough to think that we get to add a "W" to that 45-9-2 series record.
Posted on 3/21/09 at 8:41 pm to HeartOfGeauxld
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HeartOfGeauxld
I got a little off topic and didn't want to make a new thread. I am making the point that even though they will probably have a bad arse defense this offensive inexperience will be a huge concern when considering that LSU should be really good in both. Ole Miss will have a really good offense and I can't speak for their defense.
Posted on 3/21/09 at 8:49 pm to lsutiger2486
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quote: HeartOfGeauxld
I got a little off topic and didn't want to make a new thread. I am making the point that even though they will probably have a bad arse defense this offensive inexperience will be a huge concern when considering that LSU should be really good in both. Ole Miss will have a really good offense and I can't speak for their defense.
Ole Miss will be one of the better teams in the league, if not the best.
But again, the OP wrote this thread about Alabama.
This post was edited on 3/21/09 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 3/21/09 at 8:52 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Ole Miss, is just one of the other teams that can't wait to play you.
How many times have we heard that one over the years? Same song, different tune. I know Ole Miss has lots to play for in 2009, but considering that Alabama always finds a way to beat the Rebels, I'm confident enough to think that we get to add a "W" to that 45-9-2 series record.
This isn't last year, or the year before, etc, ad nauseum. In 2009, Ole Miss is one of the favorites to win this conference. And you got to play them in Oxford. If I was a Rebel fan (shudders at the thought) I'd be licking my chops.
History will not save the Tide in 2009.
Posted on 3/21/09 at 8:53 pm to inelishaitrust
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Provided nobody gets arrested in the offseason.
Yeah, I really hope nobody "Doziers" their ex girlfriends...
Posted on 3/21/09 at 8:55 pm to RedElephants
I must have missed this "Doziers" incident.
[goes Googling]
Ok, the Memphis BB star. Totally missed that one.
[goes Googling]
Ok, the Memphis BB star. Totally missed that one.
This post was edited on 3/21/09 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 3/21/09 at 10:10 pm to HeartOfGeauxld
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I think it's safe to say Alabama will be about the same on defense but worse on offense in 2009.
I don't think Alabama's defense will be about the same this year. I think they'll be better. They were already a top 5 defense last year and return 9 of 11 starters. Replacing Rashad won't be easy but the DL should improve and I think the DB's will continue to improve under Saban.
I agree that you can't expect much from the offense until the OL gets settled, which could take the whole season.
Posted on 3/21/09 at 10:37 pm to Expert
I'm really excited about our linebackers.
Hightower was a beast as a frosh.
McClain...well, everyone know's McClain is the man.
Ready to see what Jarell Harris has to offer.
Poor RB's...
Hightower was a beast as a frosh.
McClain...well, everyone know's McClain is the man.
Ready to see what Jarell Harris has to offer.
Poor RB's...
Posted on 3/21/09 at 10:38 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Ole Miss was never a good defense in 2008, and lose some key guys there
Ole Miss was the third ranked defense in the SEC
They return 1 less player than Bama.
Ole Miss had the best run Defense in the SEC.
Posted on 3/21/09 at 10:40 pm to Expert
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I think it's safe to say Alabama will be about the same on defense but worse on offense in 2009.
I don't think Alabama's defense will be about the same this year. I think they'll be better. They were already a top 5 defense last year and return 9 of 11 starters. Replacing Rashad won't be easy but the DL should improve and I think the DB's will continue to improve under Saban.
I agree that you can't expect much from the offense until the OL gets settled, which could take the whole season.
They finished tied for first in the SEC last year, so there's no where for the Tide defense to go but down.
And there's a school of thought that says they will go down a bit, even if they do improve. They did well last year, but last year the SEC was as down offensively as it has been in a while.
So the Tide could be better in talent, but finish worse statistically.
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