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re: A second NCAA-authorized ranking system names Oregon Ducks NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:57 pm to skrayper
Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:57 pm to skrayper
Georgia got screwed by the AP by regional voter bias in 1942. They ended up with a far more impressive resume Ohio State. That is why 8 of the other polling services selected them as NC. The claim is legit.
In the final AP Poll released on November 30, 1942, Georgia was ranked No. 2 with 1,339 points, less than 100 points behind No. 1 Ohio State.[3] After the final AP Poll, the Bulldogs defeated No. 13 UCLA in the 1943 Rose Bowl. Ohio State did not play in a bowl game. In this time period, the AP did not conduct polling after the bowl games. However, in later analysis, Georgia was selected as the 1942 national champion by the majority of selectors, including Berryman (QPRS), Billingsley Report, DeVold System, Houlgate System, Litkenhous, Poling System, Sagarin Ratings, and Williamson System.[4] Georgia retroactively claimed the title in the late 1980s, after then-head coach and athletic director Vince Dooley discovered that the team was listed as a national champion in an NCAA record book.[5]
In the final AP Poll released on November 30, 1942, Georgia was ranked No. 2 with 1,339 points, less than 100 points behind No. 1 Ohio State.[3] After the final AP Poll, the Bulldogs defeated No. 13 UCLA in the 1943 Rose Bowl. Ohio State did not play in a bowl game. In this time period, the AP did not conduct polling after the bowl games. However, in later analysis, Georgia was selected as the 1942 national champion by the majority of selectors, including Berryman (QPRS), Billingsley Report, DeVold System, Houlgate System, Litkenhous, Poling System, Sagarin Ratings, and Williamson System.[4] Georgia retroactively claimed the title in the late 1980s, after then-head coach and athletic director Vince Dooley discovered that the team was listed as a national champion in an NCAA record book.[5]
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Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:57 pm to JetDawg
UCF gets the final say to decide if it's legit.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 9:03 pm to artompkins
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You are retarded.
How it took someone so many posts to identify the problem is a systemic flaw within this system.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:00 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
The "coaches poll" was the old UPI (United Press International) poll.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:34 pm to JetDawg
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A second NCAA-authorized ranking system names Oregon Ducks NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Makes sense.
If the selection committee weighs number of losses and lack of bad losses over quality wins then why shouldn't the polls?
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:44 pm to MoarKilometers
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I wish i could up vote 1941 times
Why 1941? Is it the year you wanted it to be the starting point of your timeline?
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:36 am to JetDawg
Playoff is not designed to find the "best" team. It's to declare a national champion. Not necessarily the same thing.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:50 am to skrayper
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You guys claim 1942
Wait, no. Do they really?
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:42 am to JetDawg
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NCAA-authorized ranking system
You made this up, there is no such thing.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:49 am to Dirk Dawgler
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In the final AP Poll released on November 30, 1942, Georgia was ranked No. 2 with 1,339 points, less than 100 points behind No. 1 Ohio State.[3] After the final AP Poll, the Bulldogs defeated No. 13 UCLA in the 1943 Rose Bowl. Ohio State did not play in a bowl game. In this time period, the AP did not conduct polling after the bowl games. However, in later analysis, Georgia was selected as the 1942 national champion by the majority of selectors, including Berryman (QPRS), Billingsley Report, DeVold System, Houlgate System, Litkenhous, Poling System, Sagarin Ratings, and Williamson System.[4] Georgia retroactively claimed the title in the late 1980s, after then-head coach and athletic director Vince Dooley discovered that the team was listed as a national champion in an NCAA record book.[5]
Bowl games did not count in 1942. The national champion was awarded a full month beofre that game was played.
All those retroactive polls are dogshit for including bowl games.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:54 am to thatthang
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Wait, no. Do they really?
Yeah, we claim 1942 when every major selector picked us as champion that year. What a crazy claim.
We also don't claim 1946 when we went 11-0 and won the Sugar Bowl. Outscored opponents 392 to 110. The champions that year were Army and ND who tied each other 0-0 and neither played in a bowl game.
We could be like Alabama and claim 1941 when they went 9-2 and were ranked #20 in the AP poll. Or Tennessee in 1967 when they also went 9-2. Now those are legit claims.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:01 pm to mckibaj
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Looks like the 4th time that is Computer Poll has had a different #1 than the NCAA BCS or Playoff Winner, and first of the Playoff Era.
2007 Missouri
2008 Utah
2011 LSU
2024 Oregon
It's happened way more than 4 times in the BCS/CFP era
2000 Miami
2002 USC
2003 USC and Oklahoma
2006 Ohio St
2010 TCU
2016 Alabama
2017 UCF
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:09 pm to playmakers in space
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We also don't claim 1946 when we went 11-0 and won the Sugar Bowl. Outscored opponents 392 to 110. The champions that year were Army and ND who tied each other 0-0 and neither played in a bowl game.
Why do you keep talking about bowl games from the 40s? Bowls weren't the same back then. Final polls came out before them. Bowl games were purely exhibitions and programs treated them that way. Notre Dame elected not to play in bowl games until 1970. Army same thing, they elected not to play in bowls. You can't just go back in time and apply late 20th century standards and start arguing cases for teams being national champs over others based on them.
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:30 pm to playmakers in space
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Yeah, we claim 1942
Holy shite
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:36 pm to lsufball19
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Why do you keep talking about bowl games from the 40s? Bowls weren't the same back then. Final polls came out before them. Bowl games were purely exhibitions and programs treated them that way. Notre Dame elected not to play in bowl games until 1970. Army same thing, they elected not to play in bowls. You can't just go back in time and apply late 20th century standards and start arguing cases for teams being national champs over others based on them.
Because bowl games are useful as an extra data point when you're talking about a polling system and championship determinant in an era when schedules were wildly different and non-standardized (teams played different numbers of games), and the AP poll was the only official poll in town and was undeniably biased towards northern teams. Army beat a 1-8 Navy team by 3 points at the end of the 1946 season. UGA didn't play a single close game that year. Since they didn't play each other, AND the two teams in front of them tied each other, you can only go by the overall resume, and UGA has a perfectly valid argument that year, AP poll be damned.
The overall point, though, is that these "titles" prior to 1967 when the AP started counting bowls in their final vote were beauty contests determined by media members that were highly subjective and biased. Nearly every school has some questionable "claimed" national titles, I just thought it was ironic an Alabama fan of all people was trying to troll UGA about one of these claims from 80 years ago. Stones in glass houses and all that.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:46 pm to playmakers in space
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Because bowl games are useful as an extra data point
they're not useful when they are approached as not mattering. That would be like looking at the NFL preseason game results and applying them to a ranking system of all-time great teams. Teams playing in bowl games knew they didn't count for anything. That's why some teams decided not to play in them. They flat out didn't matter
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The overall point, though, is that these "titles" prior to 1967 when the AP started counting bowls in their final vote were beauty contests determined by media members that were highly subjective and biased. Nearly every school has some questionable "claimed" national titles, I just thought it was ironic an Alabama fan of all people was trying to troll UGA about one of these claims from 80 years ago. Stones in glass houses and all that.
Polls are still like this today, always have been.
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:50 pm to thatthang
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Holy shite
1942 UGA: 11-1, SEC Champion, Heisman Trophy winner, 33.6 OPPG, 6.9 DPPG, Rose Bowl champ
1942 Ohio St.: 9-1, Western Champion, 33.7 OPPG, 11.4 DPPG, no bowl
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:54 pm to playmakers in space
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The overall point, though, is that these "titles" prior to 1967 when the AP started counting bowls in their final vote were beauty contests determined by media members that were highly subjective and biased. Nearly every school has some questionable "claimed" national titles, I just thought it was ironic an Alabama fan of all people was trying to troll UGA about one of these claims from 80 years ago. Stones in glass houses and all that.
Alabama's 1941 claim is bogus.
So is Georgia's 1942 claim.
Counting bowl games from that era is not an extra data point, it is revised history.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:57 pm to playmakers in space
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1942 UGA: 11-1, SEC Champion, Heisman Trophy winner, 33.6 OPPG, 6.9 DPPG, Rose Bowl champ
1942 Ohio St.: 9-1, Western Champion, 33.7 OPPG, 11.4 DPPG, no bowl
1942 Ohio St: #1
1942 Georgia: #2
Posted on 2/4/25 at 1:00 pm to lsufball19
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they're not useful when they are approached as not mattering. That would be like looking at the NFL preseason game results and applying them to a ranking system of all-time great teams. Teams playing in bowl games knew they didn't count for anything. That's why some teams decided not to play in them. They flat out didn't matter
You're really hung up on the bowl thing. I do not buy that they "didn't matter" to the extent of being equivalent to NFL pre-season games. Pre-season games are scrimmages/practices to get ready for an upcoming season. The results do not have any impact on anything and no one approaches them with any regard for the outcome.
Bowl games were and always have been post-season exhibitions to reward teams for having successful seasons. They reward the winning team with a championship. They may have not counted towards the AP final rankings prior to 1967, but I don't think anyone with a straight face can tell me the players that played in those games didn't want to win or had no regard for the outcome of those games whatsoever. It's just a false equivalence.
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 1:02 pm
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