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re: A article about the SEC from an outsider as written by a buddy of mine.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 5:58 pm to genro
Posted on 12/6/11 at 5:58 pm to genro
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Can UT spend 7 seasons in the wilderness and then hire a Nick Saban-caliber coach to turn it around 180 degrees? Frankly I was surprised Bama could. I doubt UT can.
Ummmmmm. Yes. Not sure if this is a serious question. We can hire anybody for the right $.
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:01 pm to bigorange34232
Arkansas is on the upswing, UT is on the down swing. Not much more to that one.
As far as USCe. They have every advantage over UT. I don't know what took them so long to get going.
Your star players aren't as good as advertised and apparently many of them aren't sure if they even want to be at UT. Your HC is a joke. Y'all lost to the worst UK team in 15 years that didn't even have a QB and threw for only 15 yards.
Yea, yea, Bray was hurt and sick. But the fact that he was still your best option that day with the way he was playing says all you need to know about the state of Tennesseee football.
Also, you celebrated a Vandy win.
As far as USCe. They have every advantage over UT. I don't know what took them so long to get going.
Your star players aren't as good as advertised and apparently many of them aren't sure if they even want to be at UT. Your HC is a joke. Y'all lost to the worst UK team in 15 years that didn't even have a QB and threw for only 15 yards.
Yea, yea, Bray was hurt and sick. But the fact that he was still your best option that day with the way he was playing says all you need to know about the state of Tennesseee football.
Also, you celebrated a Vandy win.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:01 pm to busey
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He really fricked up the fan base thing. Kentucky has a larger fan base than both MSU and OM (not meant to be a flame) and is about the same size as Arky.
If they only cared about football. Once basketball season starts, the fans don't care about football. Kentucky should not argue football fan base versus any school in SEC outside of Vandy.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:01 pm to bigorange34232
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Who has been to the SEC championship game more recently? Arkansas or Tennessee?
Arkansas went in 06, ya'll went in 07. And arkansas has been to bigger and better bowl games since then.
Arkansas has been the better program since 06, and if they keep Petrino they will remain that way. Tennessee will have to find a better coach to get back to prominence.
You can tout your past championships and such, but those players and coaches are no longer there. Recruits are going to look at the current coaching situation and level of players currently playing, and where the school has been recently. right now Arky has that edge on Tennessee
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:03 pm to bigorange34232
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If they only cared about football. Once basketball season starts, the fans don't care about football. Kentucky should not argue football fan base versus any school in SEC outside of Vandy.
They pack a 67,000 seat stadium and are known to be pretty loud, and if I'm not mistaken are known to sell out consistently. I'd say they have a passionate fanbase for football.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:04 pm to bigorange34232
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Kentucky should not argue football fan base versus any school in SEC outside of Vandy.
Really? Because up until this year, we were in the attendance top 25 for about 6 years running. Something only about half the SEC can claim. We averaged 102% capacity years in a row. Educate yourself before speaking, please.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:09 pm to busey
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Arkansas is on the upswing, UT is on the down swing. Not much more to that one.
Ok. Baylor is on the upswing, Texas is on the downswing. Your right Baylor will pass Texas in a couple of years. LOL. Florida is on downswing as well, will Arkansas pass them?
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As far as USCe. They have every advantage over UT. I don't know what took them so long to get going.
Based off of what? History-NO, Tradition-NO, NFL success-NO, fan base-NO, facilities-NO, big money-NO.
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Your star players aren't as good as advertised and apparently many of them aren't sure if they even want to be at UT. Your HC is a joke. Y'all lost to the worst UK team in 15 years that didn't even have a QB and threw for only 15 yards.
Yea, yea, Bray was hurt and sick. But the fact that he was still your best option that day with the way he was playing says all you need to know about the state of Tennesseee football.
Also, you celebrated a Vandy win.
I agree about the HC part. That doesn't mean we can't hire a great coach when he is fired. Yeah we had a bad season. But the future at UT is still brighter than Vandy, KY, Miss St, Ole Miss, S Carolina, and Arkansas.
We have proven that the right coach can win it all at our school. The other schools have had the right coach and they still can't win championships. That is the difference.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:12 pm to deltaland
You are all retarded. The whole lot of you.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:12 pm to bigorange34232
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Based off of what? History-NO, Tradition-NO, NFL success-NO, fan base-NO, facilities-NO, big money-NO.
History and tradition are great, but they aren't advantages right here and right now (see Oregon). Neither is NFL success. I'm not sure why you listed them.
Interesting you left the most obvious one out - Recruiting. South Carolina has in state football talent (lots of it). Tennessee doesn't.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:15 pm to busey
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Really? Because up until this year, we were in the attendance top 25 for about 6 years running. Something only about half the SEC can claim. We averaged 102% capacity years in a row. Educate yourself before speaking, please.
How was your attendance for the Tennessee game? Listen if Tennessee only had a 60,000 seat stadium it would be filled up every week too. If you had to fill up a 100,000 seat stadium you would be struggling.
Question. Which 6 schools have the largest stadiums in the SEC? Maybe that isn't a coincidence. Maybe having great tradition and passionate fan bases allow you to build 90,000 seat stadiums. Funny how that is.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:18 pm to busey
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History and tradition are great, but they aren't advantages right here and right now (see Oregon). Neither is NFL success. I'm not sure why you listed them.
I probably listed NFL success because elite players want to play in NFL. WOW! Ground breaking idea. LOL.
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Interesting you left the most obvious one out - Recruiting. South Carolina has in state football talent (lots of it). Tennessee doesn't.
OK, look at recruiting rankings now and come back to me.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:18 pm to bigorange34232
Attendance was awful this year. That's what I meant by "up until this year".
Our stadium holds closer to 70k than 60k (and it did average 69k from 2007-2010). Solid rounding skills there.
Our stadium holds closer to 70k than 60k (and it did average 69k from 2007-2010). Solid rounding skills there.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:20 pm to jaypee15
Good Lord, some of the bickering in this thread should be in the article.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:20 pm to deltaland
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You can tout your past championships and such, but those players and coaches are no longer there. Recruits are going to look at the current coaching situation and level of players currently playing, and where the school has been recently. right now Arky has that edge on Tennessee
That must be why Tennessee is recruiting better than Arkansas. LOL. We are terrible and still have top 10-15 classes. Not many other schools can accomplish that. Arkansas is 10-2 and they can't out recruit 5-7 Tennessee.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:21 pm to bigorange34232
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I probably listed NFL success because elite players want to play in NFL. WOW! Ground breaking idea. LOL.
That's only an advantage if you can recruit elite players. That's my point. And Tennessee hasn't lately. In fact, recently the best player to come out of the state of TN went to UK.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:22 pm to bigorange34232
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Not sure if this is a serious question. We can hire anybody for the right $.
You know it's not all dollars and cents, right? You can't just outbid for the best coach. There are plenty of other factors that go into making your program attractive.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:23 pm to busey
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Our stadium holds closer to 70k than 60k (and it did average 69k from 2007-2010). Solid rounding skills there.
WOW. OK, 70,000. Whatever. Argument is still the same. Tennessee would have had 100%+ attendance if we played in Kentucky's stadium, but Kentucky may have had 75% attendance at our stadium.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:25 pm to bigorange34232
No shite. What exactly is your point? We are renovating and adding seats in the near future. Until then, all we can do is sell it out (which we had trouble doing this year due to people boycotting Joker).
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:25 pm to jaypee15
I enjoyed it 
Posted on 12/6/11 at 6:27 pm to genro
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You know it's not all dollars and cents, right? You can't just outbid for the best coach. There are plenty of other factors that go into making your program attractive.
It might not be 100% money, but its at least 95%. UT is attractive to a good coach for the right money. In our last search we couldn't afford a big name guy because we were still paying Fulmer and had to pay Kiffin and his staff.
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