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2021 QB Recruits - Interesting
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:32 pm
After seeing that Tyler Buchner was in the transfer portal again, I started looking at the other kids that were top 10 QBs in that class:
#1 Quinn Ewers - Signed at Ohio State, transferred to Texas
#2 Caleb Williams - Signed at Oklahoma, transferred to USC
#3 Sam Huard - Signed at Washington, transferred to Cal-Poly
#4 Drake Maye - Signed to UNC, still enrolled there
#5 Brock Vandagriff - Signed with Georgia, in transfer portal
#6 J.J. McCarthy - Signed with Michigan, still enrolled there
#7 Kaidon Salter - Signed with Tennessee, transferred to Liberty
#8 Kyle McCord - Signed with Ohio State, in transfer portal
#9 Ty Thompson - Signed with Oregon, still enrolled there
#10 Tyler Buchner - Signed with Notre Dame, transferred to Alabama, in transfer portal again
Three of the top 10 are still enrolled where they signed on at; of those three, the most intriguing is Ty Thompson. He'll have big shoes to fill following Bo Nix's performance these past couple of years, but the fact that he stayed is interesting.
#1 Quinn Ewers - Signed at Ohio State, transferred to Texas
#2 Caleb Williams - Signed at Oklahoma, transferred to USC
#3 Sam Huard - Signed at Washington, transferred to Cal-Poly
#4 Drake Maye - Signed to UNC, still enrolled there
#5 Brock Vandagriff - Signed with Georgia, in transfer portal
#6 J.J. McCarthy - Signed with Michigan, still enrolled there
#7 Kaidon Salter - Signed with Tennessee, transferred to Liberty
#8 Kyle McCord - Signed with Ohio State, in transfer portal
#9 Ty Thompson - Signed with Oregon, still enrolled there
#10 Tyler Buchner - Signed with Notre Dame, transferred to Alabama, in transfer portal again
Three of the top 10 are still enrolled where they signed on at; of those three, the most intriguing is Ty Thompson. He'll have big shoes to fill following Bo Nix's performance these past couple of years, but the fact that he stayed is interesting.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 3:45 pm
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:34 pm to skrayper
It is interesting. Thanks for taking the time.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:36 pm to skrayper
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Drake Maye
It's worked out okay (so far), but I honestly think Drake Maye not coming here threw a huge wrench in our long-term QB plans.
Not to say he would've been some elite talent, but when he flipped after committing in 2019, I believe it threw our staff into chaos.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:39 pm to paperwasp
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It's worked out okay (so far), but I honestly think Drake Maye not coming here threw a huge wrench in our long-term QB plans.
Not to say he would've been some elite talent, but when he flipped after committing in 2019, I believe it threw our staff into chaos.
It does make you wonder if HE feels like he made the right decision.
Oh well... he's done pretty good. Was in the Heisman talks pre-season, IIRC.
He's #8 in YPG nationally, but passer rating is 36th. Don't think this season has exactly done wonders for his draft stock.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:42 pm to skrayper
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He's #8 in YPG nationally, but passer rating is 36th. Don't think this season has exactly done wonders for his draft stock.
QB play in the NFL has been awful this year outside of maybe 10-12 guys. He'll be drafted early-mid first round for that reason alone.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:53 pm to Marktastic86
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QB play in the NFL has been awful this year outside of maybe 10-12 guys. He'll be drafted early-mid first round for that reason alone.
Maybe, but I think he's a bit away from ready to start year 1. I think Daniels could, and maybe Penix. Nix is a maybe but it'd be interesting to see if he can handle NFL speed.
I legit think Daniels is the only one in the draft that could/will start year 1. Hopefully he'll get drafted somewhere that at least gets him a decent OL and a target to throw to.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:55 pm to Marktastic86
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QB play in the NFL has been awful this year outside of maybe 10-12 guys.
Wonder how much that has to do with all the player movement and coaching changes in college football the past 10+ years. I feel like the constant shuffling of players and coaches in college really hinders their development at an age where they really need it. QBs are the most notorious for any position for transferring, and they need more development than any other position.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:01 pm to lsufball19
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Wonder how much that has to do with all the player movement and coaching changes in college football the past 10+ years. I feel like the constant shuffling of players and coaches in college really hinders their development at an age where they really need it. QBs are the most notorious for any position for transferring, and they need more development than any other position.
Couple that with little-to-no development in the NFL before being thrown to the wolves (so many QBs starting in year 1), and on teams that have done little to support said QBs before starting them. It's like they think more and more that the QB position is a "quick fix" to an ailing team.
To your point though, those players get fewer and fewer years under a single coach due to transfer rules. Sometimes it works out well for them (like Jalen Hurts going to Oklahoma and getting more playing time than he would have behind Tua, and Joe Burrow transferring to LSU from Ohio State and getting a chance to play/learn under Steve Ensminger and Joe Brady), but I think it likely hurts more often than it helps.
Sadly folks will probably point to those two as "proof" that it works rather than potentially being exceptions to the rule.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:10 pm to lsufball19
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I feel like the constant shuffling of players and coaches in college really hinders their development
That's very interesting.
I believe we also thought transfers would lead to parity, but I don't think any of us thought that parity would be a step down from where we were previously.
It seems a lot of these guys in the portal are there for a reason, and very rarely do they statistically/significantly improve their new team. In other words, there aren't really any dominant teams that don't have flaws.
So to me these guys going all over the place have actually hurt the average product overall, and it may very well be related to what you're pointing out.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:20 pm to paperwasp
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these guys going all over the place have actually hurt the average product overall
To add to this, a coach mentioned to me that one issue is different team cultures.
Not that any are bad per se, but now you've got new guys in the locker room from several different schools who have differing ideas of what's important (based on how they've already been coached).
It's much harder to get everyone to buy in cohesively as a result, as opposed to "well here's how I do it," because that one guy thinks he's going to the NFL, and his new coach doesn't understand.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:24 pm to paperwasp
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To add to this, a coach mentioned to me that one issue is different team cultures.
Not that any are bad per se, but now you've got new guys in the locker room from several different schools who have differing ideas of what's important (based on how they've already been coached).
Yeah, I've heard Burrow and Daniels say that when they first arrived on campus it took them that first season to really feel comfortable with the rest of the team to step up and take on that leadership role because they hadn't earned that level of trust and respect yet (paraphrasing obviously)
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:29 pm to lsufball19
I appreciate that this has, somehow, managed to remain a football discussion. 
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:31 pm to skrayper
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Kyle McCord - in transfer portal
Still a weird development to me.
I mean I know the guy didn't light it up, but he probably had unreasonable expectations following Stroud.
Probably a huge get for someone, or at least a top-five potential transfer at the moment.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:32 pm to skrayper
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I appreciate that this has, somehow, managed to remain a football discussion
I don't think anyone else has noticed the thread yet.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:32 pm to skrayper
QB recruits are either stars right away or transfer or both
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:35 pm to SammyTiger
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QB recruits are either stars right away or transfer or both
Both?
I'm curious as to what examples you have of QBs that were stars but transferred anyway?
Jalen Hurts is the only one that comes to mind, but his transfer made a lot of sense with Tua taking the job. He was still a star to a lot of Bama fans, but he wasn't the starter going into 2019.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:37 pm to paperwasp
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I don't think anyone else has noticed the thread yet.
That, and I think some folks find legitimate football conversations akin to sunlight to vampires... they hiss at it and then slink away into the shadows.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:47 pm to skrayper
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I'm curious as to what examples you have of QBs that were stars but transferred anyway?
Caleb Williams
and I know that may be an exceptional situation, but someone would have brought him up if I didnt.
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:51 pm to paperwasp
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Still a weird development to me.
I mean I know the guy didn't light it up, but he probably had unreasonable expectations following Stroud.
I've read that he is transferring because he wasn't guaranteed a spot to start in the bowl game. I guess his performance in the Michigan game knocked him out of favor with the coaching staff but the guy is young and he played pretty well most of the year and in big games. However he will be a hot commodity in the portal of he does indeed leave.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:57 pm to qman91
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I've read that he is transferring because he wasn't guaranteed a spot to start in the bowl game. I guess his performance in the Michigan game knocked him out of favor with the coaching staff
Stroud was a much better QB with better receivers and he still got stomped by Michigan twice, both much worse than McCord, and was never in danger of getting benched by the same coaching staff.
Wonder what else may be going at OSU.
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