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re: 2004 AU VS 2003 LSU

Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:14 pm to
Posted by AUTigLN11
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:14 pm to
Checkmate.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:15 pm to
it was just too perfect. you open with an insult and then "all you can do is insult me". In the very next sentence no less.
This post was edited on 4/11/10 at 4:16 pm
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:16 pm to
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2004 AU: 4-1st rounders and if Tuberville wasn't so damn conservative, we would have blown out 70% of our schedule




We did blow out 70% of our schedule.


And 67% of that schedule, did not even have a winning season.
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:21 pm to





Carlos Rogers = Starter. A good one at that.

Jason Campbell = Starter when he gets traded. Not to mention he can't find a team that'll keep one head coach and one O.C. Been happenin to him since he was a freshman in college and he's still damn good.

Ronnie Brown = Pro Bowler. Flat out stud.

Caddy Williams = Stud his first year. Won ROY. Had injuries but when healthy he's a good, hard running tailback. He's getting healthy again.
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:22 pm to
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Caddy Williams = Stud his first year. Won ROY. Had injuries but when healthy he's a good, hard running tailback. He's getting healthy again.


And recently got married, you go Cadillac
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:23 pm to
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:24 pm to
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Carlos Rogers
definitely good.

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Jason Campbell = Starter when he gets traded. Not to mention he can't find a team that'll keep one head coach and one O.C. Been happenin to him since he was a freshman in college and he's still damn good


Seems he's pulled as much as he starts. He's very erratic and a filler QB. Not living up to 1st round status.

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Ronnie Brown = Pro Bowler. Flat out stud.


No doubt.

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Caddy Williams = Stud his first year


Shown he can't take a full season. Being good a little here or there is not living up to expectations. He can't take a full season of hits.

2 no doubt are great players, the other two, servicable.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:26 pm to
call me crazy but I think Williams can get back and have some success. dude was beastin' it his rookie year.

Campbell, I have no faith in. After he's traded he'll have one more year to show me he has the potential. If he sucks again, then yeah; he's only one notch above Jamarcus on the bust-o-meter
This post was edited on 4/11/10 at 4:27 pm
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:28 pm to
I don't know if he'll hold up. I've always thought he was overrated, in college and pro. He's a good back, but Brown was always better, imo. Why Caddy was lead back, I'll never understand.
Posted by Ross
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47827 posts
Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:30 pm to
I'd always take Brown over Caddy. If there's one second left, you're down by 5 and at the goal line, you'd have to take Brown 10/10 times. Carnell would do a lot of dancing and might get in, Brown's getting his arse into the endzone.


But Carnell does have that explosiveness and he can be very, very dangerous when healthy.
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:32 pm to
It's amazing what running backs have been at Auburn here lately..

Caddy
Ronnie Brown
Kenny Irons
Ben Tate
Brandon Jacobs
Rudi Johnson

When Kenny gets back from that torn ACL he'll be a sure starter, IMHO.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:34 pm to
Wish we could have added Lester to that list, but oh well. Wonder what he's up to these days.
Posted by AUTigLN11
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Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 5:45 pm to
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And 67% of that schedule, did not even have a winning season.


Too bad the 12 game regular season wasn't around then so all the 5-6 teams could have gotten that extra win against some scrub team and gone to a crap bowl game and had a chance at a winning record. Who did Bama play worth anything last year besides Florida? LSU was average, VT was average, Texas without McCoy was a little better than average. Yet it took blatant cheating by refs and blind luck to beat Auburn, UT, and LSU and were taken to the wire by a QB who had never thrown a meaningful pass in his career. Auburn did not have those problems. After the LSU game no team ever had the ball with a chance to take the lead against AU in the 4th quarter. We beat the defending national champions, throttled a top 5 UGA team, twice throttled a UT team, once on the road and once at a neutral site, whose only other loss all season was without their QB, and easily controlled a VT team that was better than any team Bama played this year not named Florida. #1 scoring defense in the country, one of the top backfields in college football history, Thorpe award winner, SEC Offensive player of the year, great special teams, 2 OL making millions in the NFL right now, four wide receivers who have or are playing in the NFL. Hell even the backup QB on that team was 3-0 against Alabama.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 4/11/10 at 6:41 pm to
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Who did Bama play worth anything last year besides Florida? LSU was average, VT was average, Texas without McCoy was a little better than average.


Teams that Auburn 04 beat that had a winning record:

Lsu 9-3 (Needed a ref call to not go to OT)
Tenn 10-3
Ga 10-2
Va Tech 10-3
Tenn 10-3

I gave you Tennessee twice and for those five games your opponents had a record of 49-14.

Teams that Bama 09 beat that you claim were avg:

Va Tech 10-3
Lsu 9-4
Texas 13-1
Florida 13-1
Ole Miss 9-4

For the five opponents Bama faced, they had a combined record of 54-13. Two teams would have been undefeated, if not for Bama. The same can't be said for Auburn's team. They did nothing more than any other team did in beating the best teams they faced.

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We beat the defending national champions,


So did we, and the 3 schools that had teams that won the 3 before that. That's 4 to your one.


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one of the top backfields in college football history


mmm k.

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Thorpe award winner, SEC Offensive player of the year,


Butkus Award, Heisman Award, 6 All Americans, SEC Offensive Player of the year, Defensive SEC player of the year, SEC Coach of the year, 5 others on the SEC team of the year.

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great special teams


ok.

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2 OL making millions in the NFL right now, four wide receivers who have or are playing in the NFL. Hell even the backup QB on that team was 3-0 against Alabama


Which has zero to do with anything about the 04 team. Btw.. a true freshman and sophomore, had better numbers than your "best tandems ever" from that year.
This post was edited on 4/11/10 at 6:50 pm
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6475 posts
Posted on 4/11/10 at 7:55 pm to
You guys are silly if you thought Ronnie was better than Caddy in college. No body ran harder than Caddy, Nobody. Ronnie had better measurables, but nowhere near the swagga.
Posted by AUTigLN11
Marietta
Member since Mar 2010
4833 posts
Posted on 4/11/10 at 8:37 pm to
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Lsu 9-3 (Needed a ref call to not go to OT)


Do you really want to go there about refs? One close game all season and it was early. After that they never looked back. Bama was in many battles down the end against 4 and 5 loss teams.

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mmm k.


Right because backfields with three first round picks (including top in the top five) come around all the time.

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ok.


Kodi Bliss was one of the top punters in the league, Vaughan was a solid FG kicker, Yost put the kickoffs in the endzone nearly everytime, Carlos Rogers couldn't be blocked as a gunner and Caddy had some big time punt returns.

Tommy Tuberville was also national coach of the year.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 4/11/10 at 8:42 pm to
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Do you really want to go there about refs? One close game all season and it was early. After that they never looked back. Bama was in many battles down the end against 4 and 5 loss teams.


Bama won all their games by an avg score of 32-11, same as Au 04. Except Bama beat better teams.

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Right because backfields with three first round picks (including top in the top five) come around all the time.


One of which, was a third stringer ran the ball less than 75 times on the season, then transferred. The other two, still, didn't have as good a season in 04, as Bama's Freshman and Sophomore did in 09.

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Kodi Bliss was one of the top punters in the league, Vaughan was a solid FG kicker, Yost put the kickoffs in the endzone nearly everytime, Carlos Rogers couldn't be blocked as a gunner and Caddy had some big time punt returns.


Yet, against lesser opponents, your team still could not produce the best offense or defense of the decade or have a larger scoring margin than several other teams.

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Tommy Tuberville was also national coach of the year.


Gee, Bama's never had one of those. What's the name of that thing again and where is Tubs again?

Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 4/11/10 at 8:43 pm to
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You guys are silly if you thought Ronnie was better than Caddy in college. No body ran harder than Caddy, Nobody. Ronnie had better measurables, but nowhere near the swagga


Ronnie was and is better than Caddy.
Posted by CFBFAN1121
Abbottabad, Pakistan
Member since Sep 2006
4174 posts
Posted on 4/11/10 at 9:39 pm to
Alahunter wants us to believe that a 5 loss, lack of depth, gimmicky high school offense Auburn team in 2009 can give Bama a game down to the wire.

But if AU's 04 team played Bama they wouldn't have a chance. That's what he's arguing.

Alahunter, please stop with the "Auburn 04 is nowhere close to Bama 09" talk. You're making yourself look foolish.
Posted by Jrv2damac
KS (mountain time)
Member since Mar 2004
71900 posts
Posted on 4/11/10 at 9:46 pm to
Considering 2004 AU Was only 1 point better than 2004 LSU (who wasn't as good as 2003 LSU)...I definitely go with 03 LSU.
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