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re: 2004 AU VS 2003 LSU
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:50 pm to rolltide1283
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:50 pm to rolltide1283
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LSU EARNED their NC trophy. It was not given to them.
So they earned it by losing a game and AU did not because they were perfect?
Boy that was a stupid comment gump.
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Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:52 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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So they earned it by losing a game and AU did not because they were perfect?
Different season, different set of circumstances. Yes, LSU lost a game, but they lost early and stormed back by winning the rest of their games. They destroyed #5 Georgia in the SEC Championship game and managed to get up to #2 in the BCS.
Auburn's circumstances were unfortunate because they started the season ranked #17 and the two teams that made the title game started out #1 and #2.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:53 pm to RollTide1987
Well, AU stormed through the entire year and did not lose.
And LSU was given a trophy by some sportswriters. They did no more to earn any accolade than AU in 2004. In fact they did less since they lost and AU did not and the win on the field is all any team is capable of earning.
And LSU was given a trophy by some sportswriters. They did no more to earn any accolade than AU in 2004. In fact they did less since they lost and AU did not and the win on the field is all any team is capable of earning.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:56 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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So they earned it by losing a game and AU did not because they were perfect?
Boy that was a stupid comment gump.
As another poster pointed out, that was a different season. I was replying to the Vandy fan who said that LSU had their NC given to them. They played a difficult schedule and got awarded with a shot at the NC and earned their trophy by winning that game.
Like I said before, AU had a great season but so did OU and USC.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:57 pm to RollTide1987
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How could Auburn have played 5 teams in the Top 10 when only 4 teams they played that season had a record above .500? Think before you type. Only Georgia and Virginia Tech finished in the AP Top 10.
We played UT twice we accounted for 2 of their losses. half of all points our defense allowed were garbage points given up in the 4th quarter.
We played more top ten, more ranked, and more 10 win teams than the Entire Pac-10 that year, or than USC and OU combined.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:58 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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And LSU was given a trophy by some sportswriters.
No, that would be USC. USC won the AP national championship trophy, not LSU. LSU got the BCS National Championship Trophy. You know, the one that most fans seem to regard as THE trophy.
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They did no more to earn any accolade than AU in 2004
Apparently they did as they are recognized by the college football world as national champions of 2003. You really can't say the same for Auburn in 2004.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:00 pm to rangers911
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We played UT twice we accounted for 2 of their losses. half of all points our defense allowed were garbage points given up in the 4th quarter.
You can't count the same team twice. And maybe your defense shouldn't have allowed any points in the fourth quarter. That maybe why some people decided to pick against Auburn in '04. See...teams with good defenses that won the national championship (i.e. Alabama in 1992 and Oklahoma in 2000) didn't allow any points to be scored in the fourth quarter.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:01 pm to RollTide1987
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Apparently they did as they are recognized by the college football world as national champions of 2003. You really can't say the same for Auburn in 2004.
Um, no. They did not do ANY more too earn anything than AU did. They fell into the right circustances around them. Explain how you earn things you do not control.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:04 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Um, no. They did not do ANY more too earn anything than AU did. They fell into the right circustances around them. Explain how you earn things you do not control.
AU couldn't control OU and USC but they could have helped themselves out by scheduling tougher nonconference opponents.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:06 pm to RollTide1987
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You can't count the same team twice. And maybe your defense shouldn't have allowed any points in the fourth quarter. That maybe why some people decided to pick against Auburn in '04. See...teams with good defenses that won the national championship (i.e. Alabama in 1992 and Oklahoma in 2000) didn't allow any points to be scored in the fourth quarter.
Are you really that stupid? Good coaches when they have the game won in the 4th go conservative on offense, there were several games this past season Saban didn't throw a pass in the 4th quarter he just ate up clock. This coupled with the other team likely to go very aggressive in its offense means you give up some more points in most cases as teams go to a prevent defense.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:08 pm to rangers911
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Are you really that stupid? Good coaches when they have the game won in the 4th go conservative on offense, there were several games this past season Saban didn't throw a pass in the 4th quarter he just ate up clock.
Seems to me like you're the one who is stupid because we were talking about defense, not offense. And, if you noticed, Alabama's defense didn't often give up token points to teams in the fourth quarter.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:09 pm to rangers911
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Are you really that stupid? Good coaches when they have the game won in the 4th go conservative on offense, there were several games this past season Saban didn't throw a pass in the 4th quarter he just ate up clock. This coupled with the other team likely to go very aggressive in its offense means you give up some more points in most cases as teams go to a prevent defense.
No kidding. Look at Bama this past year. Against Tenn and Texas that was EXACTLY what Saban did.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:10 pm to RollTide1987
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And, if you noticed, Alabama's defense didn't often give up token points to teams in the fourth quarter.
Explain about 2009 Bama then. Your arguements are getting dumb and have too many holes in them.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:17 pm to RollTide1987
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Seems to me like you're the one who is stupid because we were talking about defense, not offense. And, if you noticed, Alabama's defense didn't often give up token points to teams in the fourth quarter.
Ok point proven you have no clue about the game of football. Bama did give up trash points in the 4th on several occassions this past season you're just too clueless to see it. I'm sorry but if you think Bama and "good" teams don't give up trash points you are clueless, much of the points Bama gave up against UT in the second half were trash points. VT and UGA didn't score on Auburn till the 4th quarter in 04, VT led USC going into the half. AU was never in doubt of losing that game.
Good coaches give up longer runs but put more in the secondary to prevent big plays and allowing a team to hit a homerun to get back into the game. In most games a big play and a bad play by your team can cost you the game but you continue thinking the crap you think.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:18 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Explain about 2009 Bama then. Your arguements are getting dumb and have too many holes in them.
What is there to explain? Never did I say that Saban didn't go conservative against any team in the fourth quarter on offense. That's not what we were talking about. You mentioned the defense and how Auburn's '04 defense wouldn't give up any points until the fourth quarter. I simply argued that wasn't always wise if that were the case because it makes the games look much closer and will hurt you in the polls. Don't believe me? Ask 1994 Penn State.
All I was arguing is that 2009 Alabama's defense rarely allowed fourth quarter points. I was simply highlighting the difference.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:27 pm to rangers911
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Ok point proven you have no clue about the game of football.
Uh-oh, the Aubie's going into full retard mode. Let's see what kind of goodies he has in store for us.
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Bama did give up trash points in the 4th on several occassions this past season you're just too clueless to see it.
We gave up 7 points to VT in the fourth quarter while the game was still very much competitive. Hardly "trash points." We gave up 0 points to FIU. 0 points in the 4th quarter to North Texas. 0 points to Arkansas in the 4th quarter. 7 points to Kentucky in the 4th quarter. Those were trash points. 0 points to South Carolina in the fourth quarter. 7 points to Tennessee in the fourth quarter. Those weren't trash points because, if you remember, they almost won it on a field goal. 0 points given up to LSU in the fourth quarter. 3 points given up to Mississippi State in the fourth quarter. You can call those trash points if you want.
0 points given up in the 4th quarter against UT-Chattanooga. 0 points given up to Auburn in the 4th quarter. 0 points given up to Florida in the 4th quarter. 8 points given up to Texas in the fourth quarter. But Texas was still very much in the game at that point so those are hardly trash points. So, in all, you can say that Alabama gave up 10 trash points all season in the fourth quarter. 7 against Kentucky and 3 against MSU if you want to count those. Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:28 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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No kidding. Look at Bama this past year. Against Tenn and Texas that was EXACTLY what Saban did.
To say "good" teams don't give up trash points is simply stupid. All teams do, while there are teams they may not do it to sometimes but all do, they'll go to a nickel package get some deep safeties and as such you'll give up more field goals at least as the other team can likely run on you as you will have trouble stopping their run since they'll have an extra blocker. Also the other team is going to be swinging for the fences and most teams aren't blitzing at this time as there is an old saying when you blitz one team's band will be playing at the end of the play.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:31 pm to rangers911
I have given up with the gump. He is posting some stupid crap, but keeps defending it. Whatever.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:33 pm to rangers911
RollTide when YOu play and coach at multiple competative levels of football and receive a scholarship offer I'll listen to your football strategy but you are clueless.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 2:38 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I have given up with the gump. He is posting some stupid crap, but keeps defending it. Whatever.
I can only argue the points that you give me. I acknowledge that teams get conservative in the second half when they are up. But that wasn't all you said. You were talking about trash points given up by Alabama in the fourth quarter and that I was too stupid to acknowledge that Bama gave up trash points in the final quarters of games. I simply went back and took a look at the fourth quarter of each game this season and simply disproved what you said. Alabama gave up a grand total of 10 trash points in the fourth quarter all season long. They shut out the vast majority of their opponents in that quarter.
I think it's more to do with the fact that you have no idea what you want to argue. If you'll give me some points that actually make sense then I will either agree or disagree with you. So far we have agreed on one point and I have proven you wrong in another. Where's the problem?
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