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Posted on 12/19/18 at 9:42 pm to Boomer00
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Bama didn’t “claim” most of those championships until the mid 2000s. That being said I think OU should “claim” all 17 NCs...if they are awarded they are awarded especially AP titles
Wrong. That happened in the 80s. We have 16 legit claims(1941 is bullshite and I do not claim that). And 4 of those were acknowledged in the 80s. Not "most" of them. You're thinking of the pre-poll Rose Bowl seasons. Since the start of the poll era, we have 12. Pre-poll claims are questionable for every team that claims them. 9 of Michigans 11 are pre-poll.
If we claimed titles like people think we do, we'd have several more listed. Including 1945, 1966, 1975 and 1977.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 9:46 pm to bamaboy87
I legitimately claim 66 75 77
Posted on 12/19/18 at 9:47 pm to bamaboy87
I remember bama fans wearing shirts in 2003 that said like 7 or 9 NCs??? So there’s no way the started claiming all of them in the 80s. OU claims 7 and should claim 17 so I’m not disagreeing with bamas claims I just remember they used to claim far less not long ago.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 9:50 pm to Boomer00
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I remember bama fans wearing shirts in 2003 that said like 7 or 9 NCs??? So there’s no way the started claiming all of them in the 80s. OU claims 7 and should claim 17 so I’m not disagreeing with bamas claims I just remember they used to claim far less not long ago.
Nope. In 1984 (I think?) Someone at the university went back and added the Rose Bowl teams to the list. Those teams were celebrated at the time as national Champions, the school just never recognized them until the 80s.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 12/19/18 at 9:53 pm to bamaboy87
My issue with the National Championship argument is this: since 1936(ignoring the 1941 BS) Alabama ONLY claims AP/Coaches/BCS/CFP. But people say most of ours are false claims. There are PLENTY of teams that claim titles during the poll era that aren't any of those recognized polls and they don't catch shite like we do.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 9:54 pm to Boomer00
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I remember bama fans wearing shirts in 2003 that said like 7 or 9 NCs??? So there’s no way the started claiming all of them in the 80s. OU claims 7 and should claim 17 so I’m not disagreeing with bamas claims I just remember they used to claim far less not long ago.
They only claimed the AP/Coaches titles (6) in their 1983 media guide. Then they suddenly "won" 5 more titles the next year.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 9:58 pm to Korin
They recognized the Rose Bowl teams just like all the other Blue Bloods did
Posted on 12/19/18 at 9:58 pm to bamaboy87
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My issue with the National Championship argument is this: since 1936(ignoring the 1941 BS) Alabama ONLY claims AP/Coaches/BCS/CFP. But people say most of ours are false claims. There are PLENTY of teams that claim titles during the poll era that aren't any of those recognized polls and they don't catch shite like we do.
A lot of it is jealously. However...
1. 1941 is REALLY bad.
2. It seems like other programs (like Ole Miss and Tennessee) have always claimed their non AP, non UPI "titles" and not decades after the fact. It's not a good look when you can readily google an Alabama media guide from the 80s that says 6 titles and all of sudden 11 titles the next year.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 9:59 pm to bamaboy87
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They recognized the Rose Bowl teams just like all the other Blue Bloods did
Except y'all didn't win the Rose Bowl in 1941.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:09 pm to Korin
Like I said, 1941 is horseshite and should never have been included in any list.
As for when it was added, usc added one as recently as 2004. From 1939
As for when it was added, usc added one as recently as 2004. From 1939
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:11 pm to bamaboy87
Oklahoma and Ohio state don’t claim their true number though. Why does bama? If OU suddenly claimed all 17 would they not get a ton of shite for it?
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Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:19 pm to Boomer00
Bama does not claim a title for every single year we were listed by any selector. That's what people think. And it's simply not true. I'd personally rather just go by AP/Coaches/BCS/CFP. So from 1936-present day. And Alabama has 12 of those. 6 with Bryant, 1 with Stallings, and 5 with Saban.
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Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:36 pm to Boomer00
Because I don't know much about oklahoma, I looked up the 10 others youre talking about. 9 of them are from the poll era but none of them are the AP/Coaches/BCS/CFP. One of them is 2003 when oklahoma lost the BCS Championship Game. That's the kind of thing people pretend Alabama does.
So, again, since the poll era started in 1936(ignoring that bullshite 1941 claim), Alabama ONLY claims a title from the AP/Coaches/BCS/CFP. Every team that has ever been awarded one of those claims it. Every team.
Alabamas claims are not questionable like people believe. Most people just don't want to do any research. If you want to say the pre-poll titles are questionable, fine. But then you have to question teams like USC and Michigan as well. Our Rose Bowl teams were welcomed back to Tuscaloosa as National Champions. It was just not recognized in the media guide for so long for some reason.
Like I said before, I'd rather just have everybody go by the poll era titles. That would be simpler than dealing with pre poll claims for so many teams.
So, again, since the poll era started in 1936(ignoring that bullshite 1941 claim), Alabama ONLY claims a title from the AP/Coaches/BCS/CFP. Every team that has ever been awarded one of those claims it. Every team.
Alabamas claims are not questionable like people believe. Most people just don't want to do any research. If you want to say the pre-poll titles are questionable, fine. But then you have to question teams like USC and Michigan as well. Our Rose Bowl teams were welcomed back to Tuscaloosa as National Champions. It was just not recognized in the media guide for so long for some reason.
Like I said before, I'd rather just have everybody go by the poll era titles. That would be simpler than dealing with pre poll claims for so many teams.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:46 pm to bamaboy87
You can't just ignore 1941 though. That's not how it works. 
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:50 pm to Korin
I can ignore it all I want because it sucks
If the university would just drop that one it would make things easier.
It's like the 2013 iron bowl. I didn't see that final play. Never have. Never will. Doesn't exist in my memory so I can ignore it all I want
If the university would just drop that one it would make things easier.
It's like the 2013 iron bowl. I didn't see that final play. Never have. Never will. Doesn't exist in my memory so I can ignore it all I want
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:21 pm to bamaboy87
ALABAMA recognizes 1941 NC for 2 reasons. one, they were named Champs by a recognized foundation, but that’s not really the reason they claim that title. That year is a substitute for the 1945 team that went 10-0 , Outscored their opponents 430-80 , and Beat USC 34-14 in the Rose Bowl. The team featured HARRY GILMER, #1 overall in the 1948 NFL DRAFT. And was named champ by a recognized organization. They don’t recognize that year Because Army went 9-0 . Out of deference to THE US MILITARY ACADEMY, PATRIOTISM , AND WWII , Alabama used 1941 as a substitute.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:24 pm to bamaga
We still have no business claiming 1941. We were 9-2, didn't win the conference, and finished 20th in the AP. It would be better to just leave that one out all together.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:50 pm to Rabern57
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Only Bama thinks they won it.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 1:52 am to bamaboy87
The 20th ranking was before the bowl.and who did we whack in the bowl....#2 Texas AM...and did any other team in the country finish as strong and with a bowl w
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