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Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:54 am to HailToTheChiz
CM Newton- resurrected Bama basketball and put it firmly in the top 25 programs. Came closer to beating Knights undefeated '76 IU squad than anyone. Finally decided to step off the court and into admin. Hardly killed his career.
Wimp Sanderson- picked up where CM left off and elevated Bama hoops even further. Put together some of the best Bama squads in the modern era. Had horrible tourney luck and never could get past the Sweet Sixteen. Got there regularly but always ran into the wrong team at the wrong time. Resigned/fired after his secretary filed a harassment lawsuit when he slapped her. Was sleeping with her. Continued his career at Arkansas-Little Rock for several years where he was semi-successful before retiring.
David Hobbs- assistant under Wimp, he was passed the torch hoping to continue the CM to Wimp chain of success. Great defensive assistant. Horrible head coach. Basketball version of DuBose: career assistant and good at it, just don't promote him. Didn't recruit well, didn't coach well. Undid all of CMs and Wimps success rather quickly. Allowed to stay too long (sound familiar?) Finally fired after 7 long years, final straw probably being losing to Auburn by 50 on the road. Still an active assistant somewhere last time I checked.
Mark Gottfried- brought home from Murray State to save the program, successful player under Wimp, successful assistant at UCLA and successful head coach at Murray. Quickly turned around the program, recruited better quality player back to Bama and had early success. With a little luck, got Bama to its first Elite Eight and it's first ever #1 ranking. Success went to his head. Got complacent, arrogant, lazy, and a wandering eye. Became difficult for administration to work with. Basketball team quality and success began to suffer. Was sleeping with a student (I've heard both that it was and wasn't a players girlfriend, I don't know. If true that just adds another level of crazy) Was finally dismissed after 3 consecutive poor seasons and all the off the court drama including his wife verbally assaulting Finebaum at a game. Resurrected his career at NC State and is prospering.
Grant- you all know the history there. The final chapter remains to be written. My guess is one of his former bosses will rehire AG as an assistant. Again, I think CAG is probably a fine assistant coach, especially defensively, just out of his depth in the head spot.
Yeah, Bama is a real career killer for basketball coaches. Compare that to Tennessee, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss and Georgia and I think you'll find a lot worse record out there.
Wimp Sanderson- picked up where CM left off and elevated Bama hoops even further. Put together some of the best Bama squads in the modern era. Had horrible tourney luck and never could get past the Sweet Sixteen. Got there regularly but always ran into the wrong team at the wrong time. Resigned/fired after his secretary filed a harassment lawsuit when he slapped her. Was sleeping with her. Continued his career at Arkansas-Little Rock for several years where he was semi-successful before retiring.
David Hobbs- assistant under Wimp, he was passed the torch hoping to continue the CM to Wimp chain of success. Great defensive assistant. Horrible head coach. Basketball version of DuBose: career assistant and good at it, just don't promote him. Didn't recruit well, didn't coach well. Undid all of CMs and Wimps success rather quickly. Allowed to stay too long (sound familiar?) Finally fired after 7 long years, final straw probably being losing to Auburn by 50 on the road. Still an active assistant somewhere last time I checked.
Mark Gottfried- brought home from Murray State to save the program, successful player under Wimp, successful assistant at UCLA and successful head coach at Murray. Quickly turned around the program, recruited better quality player back to Bama and had early success. With a little luck, got Bama to its first Elite Eight and it's first ever #1 ranking. Success went to his head. Got complacent, arrogant, lazy, and a wandering eye. Became difficult for administration to work with. Basketball team quality and success began to suffer. Was sleeping with a student (I've heard both that it was and wasn't a players girlfriend, I don't know. If true that just adds another level of crazy) Was finally dismissed after 3 consecutive poor seasons and all the off the court drama including his wife verbally assaulting Finebaum at a game. Resurrected his career at NC State and is prospering.
Grant- you all know the history there. The final chapter remains to be written. My guess is one of his former bosses will rehire AG as an assistant. Again, I think CAG is probably a fine assistant coach, especially defensively, just out of his depth in the head spot.
Yeah, Bama is a real career killer for basketball coaches. Compare that to Tennessee, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss and Georgia and I think you'll find a lot worse record out there.
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:56 am to auburnphan23
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If you don't get him, the urge to mock all the delusion bammers have spewed on this board about their basketball program will be too hard to resist
Share some specific examples of the delusion. Please try to do so without using the word "bammers". It minimizes your argument, similarly to when Bama fans say "barner". It's counterproductive.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:57 am to pvilleguru
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We were losing a lot, were going to miss the tournament for the 3rd straight year, he was having an affair with a grad student, and he ran Ron Steele into the ground.
Didn't help that he was an arrogant prick to the administration either. I was told he was quietly warned several times and each time told them to basically "f--- off"
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:59 am to lefty08
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The argument I made earlier in the thread was that it's career suicide for a guy at the top of his profession like Marshall to go to bama.
That argument might be valid if GM were in his 30's, but he's 52 years old. If the rumors are true that his salary would increase by 150% and have that over the next 6 years then that is one hell of a suicide. Say we make the tournament in year 3. He'll get a raise and extension. That will carry him straight into retirement. He's worked hard to arrive at this point in his career and deserves to get paid for it.
Plus he can win at Alabama. The structure is in place for him to succeed.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:01 am to bamasgot13
The delusion that your basketball program has some great tradition. I have heard several national media guys talk about it and it has become obvious to me that bama basketball is largely viewed as a giant pile of dog shite on a national level
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:03 am to bamasgot13
Just ignore auburnphan. He clearly isn't worth the effort.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:07 am to auburnphan23
Tim Brando is that you?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:13 am to Dirty Whistle
That would be fantastic if he was Tom brando
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:15 am to auburnphan23
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The delusion that your basketball program has some great tradition.
Again, specific examples of anyone saying that Alabama basketball is one of the great tradition rich basketball schools would be helpful.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:16 am to auburnphan23
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The delusion that your basketball program has some great tradition. I have heard several national media guys talk about it and it has become obvious to me that bama basketball is largely viewed as a giant pile of dog shite on a national level
Interesting. Yesterday you were saying the national media weren't talking about Bama basketball at all - thus making it irrelevant.
Make up your mind, homie.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:18 am to Gongora
Can he win at bama? Sure. Can he win at the level he has achieved at Wichita st? That's yet to be seen. What he has done at Wichita has been pretty damn good. Again, I'm not saying bama basketball is shite, it's just not to the level to pull a top guy. Arkansas fans were humbled when Nolan was fired, and the delusion about what we were was rampant. I could easily argue Arkansas tradition trumps bama.
I get the excitement about the supposedly listening to the pitch, but it doesn't mean he's considering anything. It just doesn't make.sense from a.perspective that isn't neck deep in alabama
I get the excitement about the supposedly listening to the pitch, but it doesn't mean he's considering anything. It just doesn't make.sense from a.perspective that isn't neck deep in alabama
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:19 am to lefty08
If he wasn't considering it, then we would have heard something by now.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:22 am to auburnphan23
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I have heard several national media guys talk about it and it has become obvious to me that bama basketball is largely viewed as a giant pile of dog shite on a national level
Because the national media is the shining beacon of truth right?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:26 am to DrRichardHead
Marshall is really taking his sweet time.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:27 am to lefty08
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It just doesn't make.sense from a.perspective that isn't neck deep in alabama
Nothing about Marshall to Alabama makes sense except the cash. And 4.1 million is a lot of cash. In football terms this would be like hearing rumors that Bielema was leaving Arkansas for Iowa St. It would make no sense on any level until you heard that Iowa St was offering him 10 million a year.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:30 am to lefty08
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Posted by lefty08 Can he win at bama? Sure. Can he win at the level he has achieved at Wichita st? That's yet to be seen. What he has done at Wichita has been pretty damn good. Again, I'm not saying bama basketball is shite, it's just not to the level to pull a top guy. Arkansas fans were humbled when Nolan was fired, and the delusion about what we were was rampant. I could easily argue Arkansas tradition trumps bama. I get the excitement about the supposedly listening to the pitch, but it doesn't mean he's considering anything. It just doesn't make.sense from a.perspective that isn't neck deep in alabama
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Arkansas has a better basketball history than Alabama. But my response to your post is this: we've never had a top shelf guy and we've never made this kind of commitment to basketball. What happens if we do? We'll all see.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:32 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
quote:I would imagine he wants to stay at Wichita and is currently in talks to see what his admin is willing to pay. I would think if WSU is willing to go up to 3M a year he would stay there
Marshall is really taking his sweet time.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:33 am to lefty08
I would not expect him to replicate his Wichita success at UA. He'll never have a 1 loss season here and probably won't ever get a 1 seed in the tournament. At the same time, I think maybe he realizes that he has taken Wichita as high as he can take them. You have to think that nearly every SEC school has the resources to give their basketball program a higher ceiling than Wichita right?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:36 am to phil4bama
Nothing about Saban to Bama made much sense either and that turned out pretty good. Just about ANY place can be successful with the right resources, attitude, and structure. Even Gottfried made it to the elite 8. It appears that with a much more healthy athletic department that UA has decided to pull out all the stops in an effort to make the BB program a success.
There's not a reason in the world that UA can't win a championship in BB. NOT ONE. They need a coach with the right balance of structure, discipline, recruiting, and coaching. Is Marshall that answer, only time will tell.
There's not a reason in the world that UA can't win a championship in BB. NOT ONE. They need a coach with the right balance of structure, discipline, recruiting, and coaching. Is Marshall that answer, only time will tell.
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