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Realistic Chances Our Defense Is Better Than 11 Endzone Pylons This Year
Posted on 5/6/14 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 3:45 pm
47% chance.
Someone convince me we will be better than last year and these 4 and 5 star recruits will make an immediate impact. I need some hope and optimism
Someone convince me we will be better than last year and these 4 and 5 star recruits will make an immediate impact. I need some hope and optimism
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 4:24 pm
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 3:47 pm to 3andOut
We really can't be worse
I've got fricking nothing. Tmc talk us off the ledge
I've got fricking nothing. Tmc talk us off the ledge
Posted on 5/6/14 at 3:52 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I've got fricking nothing. Tmc talk us off the ledge
This is where I am right now. Are we even sure that Snyder has the ability to coach these 4 and 5 starts to their potential? We all know as long as Sumlin is at College Station the offense will be sufficent. But losing JFF (as good as Allen/Hill may be) the defense is going to have to pick it up for us to be competitive with the big boys. I still say we average at least 40 a game. But can we improve enough on defense to win only scoring 40?
Someone tell me yes.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:02 pm to 3andOut
I hope we run the ball more this year. I said it last year and it just didn't happen. I realize we aren't going to control the clock but perhaps we will win the turnover battle that way
I think we will get better but I want to us to get much better. We could improve on last year and still be atrocious. I want us to be around the 2012 level or better every year on D
I think we will get better but I want to us to get much better. We could improve on last year and still be atrocious. I want us to be around the 2012 level or better every year on D
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:10 pm to 3andOut
I think there is a good chance.
At the very least we should have a better pass rush, which hopefully will mask a lot.
We have a chance for some of the best DT play we have seen in a while.
I expect our offense to be more efficient when we do slow down the tempo, which will keep games from slipping away.
So there is cause for koolaid
At the very least we should have a better pass rush, which hopefully will mask a lot.
We have a chance for some of the best DT play we have seen in a while.
I expect our offense to be more efficient when we do slow down the tempo, which will keep games from slipping away.
So there is cause for koolaid
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:23 pm to cardboardboxer
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cardboardboxer
Thats all I needed.
Fill my cup up.
But seriously... I am hoping Snyder can get these kids playing to their potential. In order for us to be competitive (and I am just spitballing here) we will need to move up at least 35 spots if not more in defensive rankings. To be considered good. We need to be top 50, and I dont know if thats possible with all this young talent.
Just getting exhausted of the "we should be solid in 2 years"
Although now with the way recrutiting is going on the defensive side that is more and more likely. I just feel like I want to win now. Even if we have to start 5-7 Freshman on D.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:41 pm to 3andOut
I personally think we will surprise people this year. Expectations are low, which is when we do our best.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:42 pm to 3andOut
Do we have a nerd who can look at our historical range for total defense last year within 20 or so teams(were there even 10 worse defenses than ours?), and see the most progress any of them have ever made?
I just don't know how anyone can really think all these guys can make an immediate impact. In 2015? I'm drinking the coolaid on it. I think Golden/Mastro/Claiborne/Garrett make up a naaaasty core. Next year? I just don't see how it's plausible we finish better than the 60 or 70th best defense in the country. I would love to be proven wrong, of course.
I just don't know how anyone can really think all these guys can make an immediate impact. In 2015? I'm drinking the coolaid on it. I think Golden/Mastro/Claiborne/Garrett make up a naaaasty core. Next year? I just don't see how it's plausible we finish better than the 60 or 70th best defense in the country. I would love to be proven wrong, of course.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:42 pm to cardboardboxer
So then the year after we'll be bad again 
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:49 pm to 3andOut
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I've got fricking nothing. Tmc talk us off the ledge
I wrote a long post on this here and nothing has really changed my opinion
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Are we even sure that Snyder has the ability to coach these 4 and 5 starts to their potential?
Snyder being a bad DC is the worst meme going. There is a reason he's very highly regarded in coaching circles.
Everyone focuses on our raw statistics. But that will never be great because we will always face more plays. To understand what is going on, you really need to move on from such a poor measure that has almost no correlation to winning.
Instead, take a look at efficiency ratings. And the best efficiency rating going is F/+ imo. F/+ controls for tempo as well as things like quality of opposition.
Snyder's years as a DC with F/+
2004 (Ohio State) - predates F/+ rankings Raw #s, 20th in Points Against/Gm and that team was led by their defense (offense ranked 73rd in PS/G)
2010 (South Florida) - 21st
2011 (South Florida) - 14th
2012 (Texas A&M) - 20th
2013 (Texas A&M) - 87th
So which is the outlier? The one year he had 10 true freshmen in the 2-deep or the 4 years he fielded very good defenses?
I get that it's en vogue to hate on Snyder. But the job he did in '12 alone should buy him time with A&M faithful. We'll still be incredibly green this year so maybe 20th is too much to ask, but his history suggests that when he's not fielding a defense comprised almost entirely of spare parts and true freshmen, he's really really good
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:52 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I just don't know how anyone can really think all these guys can make an immediate impact. In 2015? I'm drinking the coolaid on it
My thoughts exactly. We have NEVER EVER EVER been heading in as good of a direction on all fronts are we are as a program right now... especially recruiting. Just impatiently waiting for that to translate to the field.
I cant handle listening to the piss ballon throwers for another 3 years...
I threw that in here because at least 2 of them I know lurk this board.
I hope they prove me wrong and these kids play as frosh and shocked the SEC and the nation, but im not putting my money on it.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:53 pm to tmc94
Snyder is kind of on clean slate level with me as I'm viewing 2012 and 2013 as a wash. I'm more concerned that we don't have the personnel to succeed in certain areas (ie safety and linebacker), not as much concerned about the coaching
Thanks for linking that writeup though, I had read the DL part but never got a chance to finish it
Thanks for linking that writeup though, I had read the DL part but never got a chance to finish it
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:55 pm to tmc94
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Snyder being a bad DC is the worst meme going
I never said Snyder was a bad coach. I am honestly not too familiar with his history. I was just asking a broad statement on if he can take these highly rated recruits and make them highly rated NFL prospects. I would ask the same about Sumlin and his offense but I followed UofH very closely while Sumlin was there (Had 2 HS grads of mine play for him) so I know he can mold a good offense.
TLDR Version. I wasnt knocking Snyder it was a legitimate question because I dont know his track record.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:58 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I just don't know how anyone can really think all these guys can make an immediate impact. In 2015? I'm drinking the coolaid on it. I think Golden/Mastro/Claiborne/Garrett make up a naaaasty core. Next year? I just don't see how it's plausible we finish better than the 60 or 70th best defense in the country. I would love to be proven wrong, of course.
I just have a feeling we will overperform in what will be a weak SEC West.
My problem with holding onto 2015 as "the year" is twofold:
1. We aren't in a vacuum, LSU and Bama expect those to be huge years for them as well.
2. A good season could simply bury Charlie and put him on the path to a quick firing.
Honestly if Hamm wouldn't have ran off a player we really needed this season I would be all "10 wins!" but he kinda spilled some of my koolaid.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 5:01 pm to 3andOut
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I hope they prove me wrong and these kids play as frosh and shocked the SEC and the nation, but im not putting my money on it.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 5:20 pm to TeLeFaWx
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OP: Someone convince me we will be better than last year...
TeLeFaWx: I just don't see how it's plausible we finish better than the 60 or 70th best defense in the country.
60 or 70th best is better than last year. By a lot.
I think Garrett will turn a lot of heads and the returning guys will be better. Not near LSU/Bama dominant or close to it, but not an embarrassment.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 5:27 pm to finestfirst79
If we finish 60th or so I feel like we can win 9 games which is fine with me. And possibly more than that if the offense meshes quicker than I expect
Posted on 5/7/14 at 6:27 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
It depends on how much improve and develop the return players from last year will be. Last year our defense was a train wreck so it can not get any worse. Lets hope we have a better year
Posted on 5/7/14 at 7:55 am to wrecking crew
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:06 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
The problem is our defense is gonna have to improve while our offense is going to have to rebound from our losses. Manziel saved a lot of plays on his own and without him, this offense is going to have to control the clock a little more because we aren't going to be scoring 40+ every game like we did with Manziel.
I love Garrett and think he is a great addition but there are two things with that. He will only be as good as how much the rest of the line can help. If he's your only threat, teams can double/chip him on any passing play.
And We HAVE to stop the run. It's as simple as that. Look at the schedule:
South Carolina - New QB, stud RB Mike Davis. They will look to control the clock
Arkansas - QB issues, two stud RBs in Collins and Jonathan Williams. Will look to control the clock.
MSU - Prescott not the best passer. Lose Perkins but have talented backs.
Bama - New QB, loaded backfield, pretty simple
Auburn - Lose Mason but Roc Thomas will pick up right where he left off
LSU - Lose Hill but Fournette is right there
Without as high-flying of an offense, our defense is going to have to help get them on the field more, but if you can't stop the run, that becomes a problem. And when you can't stop the run, the passing game becomes more of a problem. You control the line, the rest gets a huge boost
I love Garrett and think he is a great addition but there are two things with that. He will only be as good as how much the rest of the line can help. If he's your only threat, teams can double/chip him on any passing play.
And We HAVE to stop the run. It's as simple as that. Look at the schedule:
South Carolina - New QB, stud RB Mike Davis. They will look to control the clock
Arkansas - QB issues, two stud RBs in Collins and Jonathan Williams. Will look to control the clock.
MSU - Prescott not the best passer. Lose Perkins but have talented backs.
Bama - New QB, loaded backfield, pretty simple
Auburn - Lose Mason but Roc Thomas will pick up right where he left off
LSU - Lose Hill but Fournette is right there
Without as high-flying of an offense, our defense is going to have to help get them on the field more, but if you can't stop the run, that becomes a problem. And when you can't stop the run, the passing game becomes more of a problem. You control the line, the rest gets a huge boost
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