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Predict our future OOC opponents
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:51 pm
This thread is for schedule predictions inspired by a back and forth I had with the poster JeffHamilton (self proclaimed financial wiz) on TexAgs the other day. We all have schools we think would be fun to play. But who are the schools that actually have the dates open for us to work with?
Here are some future schedules taken from https://www.fbschedules.com/ with schools that may fit our needs.
Keep in mind that we are going to need a minimum of 3 home OOC games just to reach 6 home games every other year because of $Bill's JerryWorld Arky deal. I am assuming we play 8 conference games a year until the SEC makes a change.
to help, here is our current schedule
First I will list teams from Texas who have open dates that could work with us. I am not listed the sips b/c I am assuming there is no chance in hell at a series with them until DeLoss is gone. Baylor is full up until 2020 and with Starr there I doubt they would work with us or that we would ever be willing to go back to Waco again. I am also not listing UTSA or UTEP b/c I believe if we wanted more games with them we would have set them up with the others.
from that it looks like the easiest schools to set up OOC games with in the near future would be Texas Tech, Houston, and Texas State.
TCU could also potentially be an option but with the Arkansas game moving back to JerryWorld it would make a H&H difficult. They also already have some decent OOC games set up so they may not feel the need for more.
A series with Houston would likely require a 2-1 or a 1-1 with the away game being played at Reliant which the Cougs probably won't want to do since they are building a new stadium.
I believe the need for a BCS OOC and the Kingsbury connection will lead to a series with Tech. As I have said before, the best case scenario for that would be if we could get Tech, Jerry, and Arky to allow for Tech to take over the game at JerryWorld and for A&M and Arky to rotate in every other year so that our conference games can be on campus. Of course a deal like that would involve cutting out Baylor from their JerryWorld deal with Tech and its not likely they would go for that. So that scenario is kind of a pipe dream.
Unless Fran is just that bitter, I think we will end up having Texas State come to Kyle for a beatdown at some point. They have the open dates, will need the money, and need the visibility from a high profile opponent. They did somehow finagle a H&H with Tech though so perhaps they would be tough to work with.
later I will put up schedules of mid majors around Texas such as ULM and Tulsa.
Here are some future schedules taken from https://www.fbschedules.com/ with schools that may fit our needs.
Keep in mind that we are going to need a minimum of 3 home OOC games just to reach 6 home games every other year because of $Bill's JerryWorld Arky deal. I am assuming we play 8 conference games a year until the SEC makes a change.
to help, here is our current schedule
First I will list teams from Texas who have open dates that could work with us. I am not listed the sips b/c I am assuming there is no chance in hell at a series with them until DeLoss is gone. Baylor is full up until 2020 and with Starr there I doubt they would work with us or that we would ever be willing to go back to Waco again. I am also not listing UTSA or UTEP b/c I believe if we wanted more games with them we would have set them up with the others.
from that it looks like the easiest schools to set up OOC games with in the near future would be Texas Tech, Houston, and Texas State.
TCU could also potentially be an option but with the Arkansas game moving back to JerryWorld it would make a H&H difficult. They also already have some decent OOC games set up so they may not feel the need for more.
A series with Houston would likely require a 2-1 or a 1-1 with the away game being played at Reliant which the Cougs probably won't want to do since they are building a new stadium.
I believe the need for a BCS OOC and the Kingsbury connection will lead to a series with Tech. As I have said before, the best case scenario for that would be if we could get Tech, Jerry, and Arky to allow for Tech to take over the game at JerryWorld and for A&M and Arky to rotate in every other year so that our conference games can be on campus. Of course a deal like that would involve cutting out Baylor from their JerryWorld deal with Tech and its not likely they would go for that. So that scenario is kind of a pipe dream.
Unless Fran is just that bitter, I think we will end up having Texas State come to Kyle for a beatdown at some point. They have the open dates, will need the money, and need the visibility from a high profile opponent. They did somehow finagle a H&H with Tech though so perhaps they would be tough to work with.
later I will put up schedules of mid majors around Texas such as ULM and Tulsa.
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 5:28 pm to Dr RC
What about:
-The Arizona schools (since we're raiding that state now)
-The academies
-Nebraska
The schools we were supposed to play home and home but got cancelled:
Florida State (2005/2006)
Michigan State (2010/2011)
USC (2014/2015)
-The Arizona schools (since we're raiding that state now)
-The academies
-Nebraska
The schools we were supposed to play home and home but got cancelled:
Florida State (2005/2006)
Michigan State (2010/2011)
USC (2014/2015)
Posted on 6/13/13 at 6:09 am to Dr RC
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Keep in mind that we are going to need a minimum of 3 home OOC games just to reach 6 home games every other year because of $Bill's JerryWorld Arky deal. I am assuming we play 8 conference games a year until the SEC makes a change.
I think we're going to need to average 3 to split the seasons 6/7 at home. There's just no way to do more home games without playing no marquee games. I'll be curious if we do 1 marquee game, 1 buy a game, and 2 two-for-one type deals or if we buy two games and go for 2 home/homes.
Personally I prefer the latter because there is very little difference to me between the kinds of schools that do two-fers and those that rent them selves out. Does anyone really care to play Houston vs say Rice? Especially if it means fewer marquee games?
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TCU could also potentially be an option but with the Arkansas game moving back to JerryWorld it would make a H&H difficult. They also already have some decent OOC games set up so they may not feel the need for more.
Fort Worth is still a more desirable location than Lubbock for instance (and we're going to do that). And a home/home would only be a single year with 2 games in DFW. Not really a big deal. Plus it's been like 20 years since we've played each other at home and that should drive interest given where their program is now. And I've heard that we've talked to them....
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A series with Houston would likely require a 2-1 or a 1-1 with the away game being played at Reliant which the Cougs probably won't want to do since they are building a new stadium.
I seriously doubt we'll play UH. I'm sure Sumlin wouldn't mind but honestly, we don't need to play in Houston, even Reliant. We can't waste road games on teams like that for the foreseeable future. Because of how tight our home schedule is and because of how much we will make for home games, you have to be very judicious about what road games you choose. They need to be games people will care about the return date. I wouldn't mind playing them but honestly it would draw no buzz. Even a two-fer has little appeal.
Calling my shot --
TCU '14/'15
Michigan '15/'16
Tech '16/'17
2 rent-a-wins in '15 to fill out schedule
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:11 pm to tmc94
Have you heard something about Michigan or is that only b/c you think they may be pissed at Notre Dame for dropping them while negotiating with Texas for more games?
Michigan is full up in 2015 and 2016 (9 game Big 10 sched starts) so they would have to drop two schools for a series with us to work in those years. They only have 1 OOC per year set up after 2016 though.
I would certainly prefer to play the Cougs over Rice since most years it should be a better game though I get why it may not make sense.
TCU would have to be fine with 6 home games for two straight years to work a series with us in those years. Its possible but they would have to come to Kyle in 2014 because they only get 4 home conference games in 2015. Either that or cancel their rivalry series with SMU.
Also, though it may be a longshot, Notre Dame has been shopping a Purdue home game they need to dump in 2014. Sumlin did play there...
Michigan is full up in 2015 and 2016 (9 game Big 10 sched starts) so they would have to drop two schools for a series with us to work in those years. They only have 1 OOC per year set up after 2016 though.
I would certainly prefer to play the Cougs over Rice since most years it should be a better game though I get why it may not make sense.
TCU would have to be fine with 6 home games for two straight years to work a series with us in those years. Its possible but they would have to come to Kyle in 2014 because they only get 4 home conference games in 2015. Either that or cancel their rivalry series with SMU.
Also, though it may be a longshot, Notre Dame has been shopping a Purdue home game they need to dump in 2014. Sumlin did play there...
This post was edited on 6/13/13 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 6/13/13 at 1:17 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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The Arizona schools (since we're raiding that state now)
-The academies
-Nebraska
The schools we were supposed to play home and home but got cancelled:
Florida State (2005/2006)
Michigan State (2010/2011)
USC (2014/2015)
I'm going to assume the three schools that canceled have little interest in a H&H since we never got those series going in the first place. This is especially true for USC.
Arizona State and Nebraska are full until 2017. Arizona has one more game to add in 2015/16 but odds are they are going to want another home game in both years so that probably won't be possible.
The academies all have space in several years but unless we are really hard up for a game I doubt we will do anything with them b/c it will require a return game somewhere and they simply aren't high profile enough to warrant that when we are already stuck playing a game in JerryWorld every year.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 1:55 pm to Dr RC
yeah, I heard we talked to Michigan about opening new Kyle. I have no idea if it'll come to fruition but apparently we really want a name opponent then. It was just mentioned to me a while back (well before this tu-ND thing -- maybe Jan or so). Maybe we'll split the years so they only have to move one game (if they do it) which is likely @Utah. Or maybe we made a call and they said no thanks. We really have to work that bc the SEC won't be able to help us out on marketing '15 as the rotating game will be away that year. I suppose they could move Bama up to week 1 but I don't think anyone wants that.
6 home games is pretty normal for TCU actually. They had only 6 in '08, '09, '10, and '12. Only in '11 did they play 7. They don't really make enough on gameday to pay many schools to visit with no return. So they end up mostly with home and homes. They've also rented themselves out fairly recently but I think with the updated stadium they won't be doing that any more. Also, you have the years reversed. They'd have to come to Kyle in '15. That would be weird since we also play @SMU in '14 but I'm not 100% certain that game is going to happen.
I could definitely see us playing Purdue.
6 home games is pretty normal for TCU actually. They had only 6 in '08, '09, '10, and '12. Only in '11 did they play 7. They don't really make enough on gameday to pay many schools to visit with no return. So they end up mostly with home and homes. They've also rented themselves out fairly recently but I think with the updated stadium they won't be doing that any more. Also, you have the years reversed. They'd have to come to Kyle in '15. That would be weird since we also play @SMU in '14 but I'm not 100% certain that game is going to happen.
I could definitely see us playing Purdue.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 2:01 pm to Dr RC
I hear y'all are really pushing to play Texas on the LHN
I kid
I kid
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:13 pm to tmc94
I've looked at every BCS school's schedule to see who all still has open dates on 9/5/15.
This is the opening weekend in 2015 so unless we want our bye week to be week one or we start on the road the list of BCS choices to open Kyle is not all that big. If you take out the American teams it really shrinks.
As earlier, I am assuming the SEC, ACC etc stay at 8 conference games and am skipping over schools that have full OOC slates.
And as an FYI, Texas opens @ Notre Dame on 9/5
and Alabama opens vs Wisconsin at JerryWorld.
ACC
Clemson - they have 3 teams to play but 2 are TBA with 1 road, no games completely set for September
Georgia Tech - 3 games, only 1 away
Louisville - only 1 game away at Kentucky
NC State - only 2 games but both are away. strangely enough, they are vs South Alabama and Old Dominion
Pitt - already has 2 away games but 1 is vs Akron
Syracuse- They have zero games set for 2015
American
East Carolina - 2 games
Houston - zero games in 2015
Navy - 3 games set up, 1 away
Tulane - 2 set up, 1 away
Tulsa - 3 set up, 2 away, only 1 date set
UCF - 1 away game set, home game with PSU is either in 2014 or 2015
Big 12
Kansas - 2 games, 1 away
Oklahoma - 2 games, 1 @ Tennessee on 9/12
Texas Tech - 2 games, only 1 date set, 1 @ Arkansas
Big 10
Illinois - 2 home games
Indiana - 3 games, 1 home, 1 away, 1 site TBD
Michigan State - 3 games, 1 away, home opener 9/12 vs Oregon
Ohio State - 1 home, 1 @ VT 9/19
Rutgers - 3 games, all home
Pac 12
USC - 1 game @ ND
Washington State - 1 home, 1 @ Wisconsin
It seems like Tech and Syracuse would be the easiest to work with. Ohio State is an intriguing option. USC should be a no-brainer to work with but they didn't seem interested in signing the deal the first time around.
If we want to be one of the major games of the day, OSU or USC would be the schools to pick. Syracuse would give us NE exposure but would probably be an ESPN2 type game. Tech would assuredly sell out but would be the least appealing nationally.
This is the opening weekend in 2015 so unless we want our bye week to be week one or we start on the road the list of BCS choices to open Kyle is not all that big. If you take out the American teams it really shrinks.
As earlier, I am assuming the SEC, ACC etc stay at 8 conference games and am skipping over schools that have full OOC slates.
And as an FYI, Texas opens @ Notre Dame on 9/5
and Alabama opens vs Wisconsin at JerryWorld. ACC
Clemson - they have 3 teams to play but 2 are TBA with 1 road, no games completely set for September
Georgia Tech - 3 games, only 1 away
Louisville - only 1 game away at Kentucky
NC State - only 2 games but both are away. strangely enough, they are vs South Alabama and Old Dominion
Pitt - already has 2 away games but 1 is vs Akron
Syracuse- They have zero games set for 2015
American
East Carolina - 2 games
Houston - zero games in 2015
Navy - 3 games set up, 1 away
Tulane - 2 set up, 1 away
Tulsa - 3 set up, 2 away, only 1 date set
UCF - 1 away game set, home game with PSU is either in 2014 or 2015
Big 12
Kansas - 2 games, 1 away
Oklahoma - 2 games, 1 @ Tennessee on 9/12
Texas Tech - 2 games, only 1 date set, 1 @ Arkansas
Big 10
Illinois - 2 home games
Indiana - 3 games, 1 home, 1 away, 1 site TBD
Michigan State - 3 games, 1 away, home opener 9/12 vs Oregon
Ohio State - 1 home, 1 @ VT 9/19
Rutgers - 3 games, all home
Pac 12
USC - 1 game @ ND
Washington State - 1 home, 1 @ Wisconsin
It seems like Tech and Syracuse would be the easiest to work with. Ohio State is an intriguing option. USC should be a no-brainer to work with but they didn't seem interested in signing the deal the first time around.
If we want to be one of the major games of the day, OSU or USC would be the schools to pick. Syracuse would give us NE exposure but would probably be an ESPN2 type game. Tech would assuredly sell out but would be the least appealing nationally.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:49 pm to Dr RC
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I've looked at every BCS school's schedule to see who all still has open dates on 9/5/15.
yeah, this is the real challenge. Not a fan of most of those options and pretty much agree with you - USC (which isn't happening) or OSU are the only two names that look feasible. If not those two, it's not exactly going to be exciting.
We're almost certainly going to have to do some serious schedule work to make it happen. I doubt we'd open on the road but it's possible to do that and focus on 9/12 if we can't get a good opponent on 9/5. We're very much focused on maximizing marketing so I don't think it will be a Rice type game.
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And as an FYI, Texas opens @ Notre Dame on 9/5 and Alabama opens vs Wisconsin at JerryWorld.
yep, forgot about that Bama game which limits our options even more. And it also makes 9/12 maybe a better date so we don't step on each others toes. There's only so much oxygen for local press.
I bet there are quite a few creative options like that we could explore. For instance, we could take Michigan's date (purely example) at Utah on 9/5 (it's actually 9/3) and add a return date in the future. We need all four in '15 so playing @Utah is not a bad deal. Then see if UNLV will move to 9/5 for Michigan and move their Ore State game to 9/19 and set up Michigan on 9/12 (all these are possible). That's an awful lot of movement to accommodate us but if we're serious about making this a big event, it may be worth it to throw a little cash to grease the wheels.
But we need our schedule finalized and apparently that hasn't happened yet.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 4:10 pm to tmc94
yea I doubt anything gets announced for '15 let alone the last game for '14 until the SEC conference schedules are released. I'm assuming that will be at the media days a month from now.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 4:51 pm to Dr RC
yeah was told it's almost finalized with 2 options but one school or the other had one game they had to move or cancel and it won't be released until that is resolved. The rotation is set and so Hyman should know who we'll play every year from the East. And I think we know some of our non-conf dates (see the November series with UTSA). He probably knows a good portion now honestly.
Bama ~week 3
Arkansas ~Oct 1st
LSU - tday weekend
My guess is USCe will be Oct 12. That's when they play Arky now. Ideally all perm cross-div would be set the same weekend but I don't think that will happen bc of traditional dates. My guess is every school sets up about 3 weekends for cross-div games and one is the perm and one is the rotater. That would create scheduling simplicity long term. Right now it's just chaos which is one reason the schedule has been so difficult.
Ex. if Oct 12, Oct 26, Nov 16 are the dates (those are the dates quite a few schools are using now), and our Perm is 10/12 and UGA's Perm is 11/16, then when we rotate it will be 10/26. I also notice a lot of people have a bye/OOC game the 2nd week in Nov. It could just be the extended season this year but I wonder if long term that is where they envision the 9th game to be.
Bama ~week 3
Arkansas ~Oct 1st
LSU - tday weekend
My guess is USCe will be Oct 12. That's when they play Arky now. Ideally all perm cross-div would be set the same weekend but I don't think that will happen bc of traditional dates. My guess is every school sets up about 3 weekends for cross-div games and one is the perm and one is the rotater. That would create scheduling simplicity long term. Right now it's just chaos which is one reason the schedule has been so difficult.
Ex. if Oct 12, Oct 26, Nov 16 are the dates (those are the dates quite a few schools are using now), and our Perm is 10/12 and UGA's Perm is 11/16, then when we rotate it will be 10/26. I also notice a lot of people have a bye/OOC game the 2nd week in Nov. It could just be the extended season this year but I wonder if long term that is where they envision the 9th game to be.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 5:58 pm to tmc94
we are still going to play Lamar the way you make it sound. 
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 7/15/13 at 11:33 am to tmc94
Wondering if it would also be possible that we start the 2015 year with a Thursday night SEC game like Ole Miss/Vandy this year... Georgia has Southern currently set up for Sept 5 while Florida has New Mexico State.
Posted on 7/15/13 at 11:50 am to Dr RC
I'd be okay with that. Otoh, Luicci teased that we'll really like the '14 schedule which should be released shortly. Maybe we're getting a good OOC matchup. I'll try to make some calls this afternoon and find out if I can.
Posted on 7/15/13 at 11:54 am to Dr RC
Yall against Oregon would be fun as hell to watch
Posted on 8/21/13 at 8:57 pm to tmc94
perhaps a TCU game is what BL said we'd be happy with?
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:16 pm to Dr RC
you hearing something? They certainly have a perfect fit on 9/6...
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:51 pm to tmc94
no.
only guessing.
there aren't many schools with an open space and even less I can see that would make enough people happy for BL to mention it.
really all that would take for me to be happy is to completely dump Lamar.
I still have my doubt that will happen.
only guessing.
there aren't many schools with an open space and even less I can see that would make enough people happy for BL to mention it.
really all that would take for me to be happy is to completely dump Lamar.
I still have my doubt that will happen.
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 8/29/13 at 9:32 am to Dr RC
Just realized that Ohio State is off the table as an opener at new Kyle as they now play VaTech Labor Day '15.
Perhaps we will open it with an SEC team?
Perhaps we will open it with an SEC team?
Posted on 8/29/13 at 10:27 am to Dr RC
if I had to guess it will be USCe
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