re: At what point does it cross the line for you?

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Well, I may have a problem with SS Officers having a memorial dedicated to them.

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Yet we nuked two civilian cities. Let each people honor their war dead as they see fit.

While I was living in Colorado, claiming Mississippi as my home state was pretty embarrassing. You're obligated to apologize for all the backwards, dumb arse, racist, fat fricks anytime MS is mentioned in conversation.

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While I was living in Colorado, claiming Mississippi as my home state was pretty embarrassing. You're obligated to apologize for all the backwards, dumb arse, racist, fat fricks anytime MS is mentioned in conversation.

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Same in Texas. If every OM alum lived out of state, and heard the stuff that we hear from outsiders, they would want the flag down too.

I'll admit, a lot of it has made me angry at that time, but after awhile I understood while it was done and agree with it. I will never support getting rid of "Ole Miss" or "Rebels" but the flag is such a big deal to a lot of people that I understand why they took it down.

Apparently I was mistaken about the songs.

This is dumb and I have refrained from responding thus far because it's going to be a dumb argument but here we go anyway.

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What don't you agree with?

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First, mainly the fact that you think Ole Miss is somehow distanced itself from Mississippi because it doesn't go by the exact name of Mississippi. I mean just because it is abbreviated to Miss isn't distancing itself from the State. I'm not sure how in the world you come to that conclusion or what thought process took you there.

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Oxford is very much different than the majority of MS. Ole Miss is different from the stigma that is associated with MS.

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Oxford is the very definition of Mississippi. Maybe not what you accuse it of being today, but it is. This is not a statement that is supposed to be derogatory, because I actually like the town. Hell, I don't mind Ole Miss and actually like a lot of things about the school. Oxford is a snapshot of the old south and the wealthy people that lived here.

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Oxford and OM receive national recognition in areas that have never been associated with the state of MS. For example...The tradition that is mainly associated with OM is dressing nicely.

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Dressing Nicely. Really? You really believe that the Ole Miss / Mississippi State alumni and fan base are divided on such a clear black and white line that all the wealthy, well to do people are all associated with Ole Miss and all the dumb rednecks are all associated with State? I know your intelligence level is higher than such. It's almost like you are trying to convince yourself as you type.

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The main tradition associated with MSU is ringing farm equipment.

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No, the main tradition associated with MSU is ringing farm equipment to the very people that you say you are embarrassed of from the original post I replied to, which are dumb, ignorant, rednecks. Yet you propose that there aren't such people associated with Ole Miss.


I am proud to be from Mississippi and I know there are plenty of people that feel the same way. I think that if we could convince more of our graduates to stay in state and help better our state, instead of being embarrassed and moving as far away as possible like you suggest, we would be in a much better situation, statewide.

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First, mainly the fact that you think Ole Miss is somehow distanced itself from Mississippi because it doesn't go by the exact name of Mississippi. I mean just because it is abbreviated to Miss isn't distancing itself from the State. I'm not sure how in the world you come to that conclusion or what thought process took you there.

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I dont necessarily care if the name "Ole Miss" doesnt or does distance it from the state of Mississippi. I just prefer hearing Ole Miss instead of Mississippi.

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Oxford is the very definition of Mississippi. Maybe not what you accuse it of being today, but it is. This is not a statement that is supposed to be derogatory, because I actually like the town. Hell, I don't mind Ole Miss and actually like a lot of things about the school. Oxford is a snapshot of the old south and the wealthy people that lived here

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In a lot of ways you are right. Our blue laws and conservative nature is very much MS. But Oxford is actually regarded as a great college town. There is not a single city in the state that can call itself "great" at anything as far as national perception. Oxford is regarded as a literary town. MS is thought of as illiterate. Oxford is also a culinary town. Look up the best restaurants in MS and there are more in a town with 20K residents than any other in the state. I for one think there is still a lot wrong with Oxford, but we are getting there.

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ressing Nicely. Really? You really believe that the Ole Miss / Mississippi State alumni and fan base are divided on such a clear black and white line that all the wealthy, well to do people are all associated with Ole Miss and all the dumb rednecks are all associated with State? I know your intelligence level is higher than such. It's almost like you are trying to convince yourself as you type.

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Absolutely not. I do not in anyway believe that if one person went to OM that he is better in anyway than someone who went to state. We have rednecks too, plenty. I am referring to the national perception. Individual people, no, you cant judge an individual based on their university. But an entire group of people, at least from a distant perspective, yes. Our perception is beautiful women, and men wearing bow ties. That perception is not the same as the state of MS. When someone mentions OM, the majority of people associate the Grove. The Grove is unique because its beautiful women in sundresses, while the men are dressed up. Thats the perception. When someone mentions MSU, the first thought is cowbells. Thats what you are known for. Our national perception (minus the racist ones) is different from the state of MS' nation perception. State's isnt.

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No, the main tradition associated with MSU is ringing farm equipment to the very people that you say you are embarrassed of from the original post I replied to, which are dumb, ignorant, rednecks. Yet you propose that there aren't such people associated with Ole Miss.

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I dont understand what you are trying to say in your first sentence. But your national commercials are centered around a cowbell. Thats your thing. As for the second sentence, no, I am not saying that at all. Our stupid rednecks and ignorant people are what are holding us back, and we have plenty. There is a guy who sits behind me that wears a confederate vest. If I meet a stranger I would probably rather them not be an OM fan because I disagree with the majority. Not the majority of OM fans are rednecks, but I am not a fan of the majority. The majority seem to like the Grove more than the game. The majority seem more concerned with keeping a costume character than winning football games. The majority dont know the starting lineup. The majority of most fan bases suck if you are a die hard. Trust me, I know our flaws as fans and the majority of this conversation is speaking more of perception than reality.

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The fact that ignorant, SEC football fans think we are rednecks really doesn't bother me because those people do not have the reputation of being very bright anyway.

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SEC fans know the most about MSU and would probably give them the benefit of the doubt over anyone else. I was at the Gator bowl when yall beat Michigan and they could not believe how well dressed state fans were. Yall in your jeans and MSU polo while they were in their cargo khakis and jerseys. I looked down on MSU tailgating until I went to the Junction a few years ago and because I actually saw it, I now understand how it actually is. SEC fans actually interact with MSU fans and get a better sense of who they actually are. If you are an Ivy, Vandy, Stanford, Virginia etc, people do not think of your sports programs, they are academic institutions. As SEC school, we are known nationwide by our sports. We are in the elite sports conference.

So some random person in Wisconsin, you think when they hear Mississippi State, they think of a research institution? Really? And exactly what are you proud of in Mississippi? I dont understand why we have to be proud of where we came from, just because thats where we came from. MS is in the bottom of education, has casinos, yet will not get the lottery which funds education. It was rated as the most corrupt state in the union. What exactly is there to be proud of? Just because you lived there? It receives $3 for every $1 it gives to the government. Its a damn welfare state. Would you be telling us how great a country Afghanistan is if thats where you were from too? Hell at least they have elite drugs. And what exactly are you going to do to make MS great? Give me a break.

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Well, regarding State, I just don't think you have a good grasp on the situation.

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I love how you are saying I am biased yet you think that people think of a great research institution instead of rednecks when they hear MSU. I didnt say that when people think of OM they think of doctors and lawyers and our law school, because its not elite. Its not unique. People recognize with what you are elite at or what makes you unique. Our women, college town, party scene, campus, and tailgating are rated as elite by national publications. Thats what people think of when they hear "Ole Miss". Ringing a cowbell is unique. LFL and your baseball attendance is unique. Those are the two things people associate MSU with. Being 88th in the nation as a research institution is not unique or elite. Thats not bias, just reality.

Reading over all of this, I do see I was bias. I was bias in not mentioning our racial history is not one of the things, if not the first thing people think of when they hear "Ole Miss". We are working on that though. We are without question, the most progressive university in the league now and eventually we will get past it. In the 90's we got rid of the flags. In the 2000's we got rid of colonel reb and FDWL. The 2010's we have gotten rid of confederate drive, taken down the state flag, and by the end of this decade will no longer play dixie. We have an actual institute for racial reconciliation. These are things that SEC schools see. I believe our perception among them is much better than our perception nationally and the same goes for you guys.

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So some random person in Wisconsin, you think when they hear Mississippi State, they think of a research institution? Really?

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If you look at what I said, I said that intelligent people know better than to think we are just some rednecks. Some random person in Wisconsin is probably just as redneck as some random person from Mississippi or Alabama. The opinions of ignorant people don't really bother me. If that's what someone thinks we are "known for" then they are ignorant. That's just a simple truth.

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And exactly what are you proud of in Mississippi? I dont understand why we have to be proud of where we came from, just because thats where we came from.

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Well, that's your opinion. I have mine. I'm not telling you there is a right and a wrong. Yes, I am proud of being from Mississippi because that is where I came from.

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MS is in the bottom of education, has casinos, yet will not get the lottery which funds education.

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Trust me, I know. I was in church as a kid when the pastor would stand up there and preach about how you should vote against the lottery because it was the devil. Nevermind the fact that the lottery could help fund secondary education and provide us with something similar to the Hope scholarship that Georgia has that could potentially help keep some of our brighter students in State.

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It receives $3 for every $1 it gives to the government. Its a damn welfare state.

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I'm not fricking touching that.

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What exactly is there to be proud of? Just because you lived there? Would you be telling us how great a country Afghanistan is if thats where you were from too? Hell at least they have elite drugs. And what exactly are you going to do to make MS great? Give me a break.

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Do you feel better after your tangent? Comparing Mississippi to Afghanistan?

I said make Mississippi a better place that we could all be proud of, not great. You have to start somewhere, and condescension isn't a good look. You spell out later on in your post how Ole Miss has changed over the course of roughly three decades, so tell me why we can't aspire for something like that statewide? Times and people are changing. Our generation isn't like our parents generation. It's much worse in a lot of aspects but we are also a lot more forward thinking. Things like the lottery, marijuana, creating tax breaks for employers to bring jobs to our state, these are things we can start to get passed now. Our generation isn't going to run away from a vote on the lottery and marijuana because "God hates these things", like our parents did. There's plenty that we can do.

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I love how you are saying I am biased yet you think that people think of a great research institution instead of rednecks when they hear MSU.

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I didn't say you were biased in the sense that you went overboard with your assertions about Ole Miss, just that your opinion of State is extremely negative, which is to be expected, I just figured you would be able to realize that without me having to point it out.

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These are things that SEC schools see. I believe our perception among them is much better than our perception nationally and the same goes for you guys.

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I agree with you, now that I see what you mean by SEC fans. These are people like you and me, that travel to the different schools, intelligent enough to form their own thoughts, etc. etc. We're not your average SEC fan though. The average SEC fan is pretty stupid.

See, BearsFan, we can be friends.