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re: Who else doesn't give a crap about Black History Month?
Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:04 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:04 pm to BluegrassBelle
I simply answered why some people have such a problem with BHM, and you threw out the white guilt card. So yes, you did make that suggestion. And I never said they were racist, just that facing the actions of their ancestors made them uncomfortable. If you took that to be me calling them racist, that's on you.
Is this something you tell your students that disagree with you on something?
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Thanks for being everything that's wrong with this country today.
Is this something you tell your students that disagree with you on something?
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:47 pm to The Spleen
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And I never said they were racist, just that facing the actions of their ancestors made them uncomfortable.
And why would that be? What should they feel uncomfortable about it if they're generations removed from family that owned slaves/were racist?
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If you took that to be me calling them racist, that's on you.
Once again, passive aggressive at it's finest.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 2/4/15 at 3:05 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Did I reference only grade school?
Well that's what this entire discussion bad been about. Unless you took a lot of standardized tests in college.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 3:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
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What should they feel uncomfortable about it if they're generations removed from family that owned slaves/were racist?
Maybe this is the disconnect. You do realize there was systemic discrimination of blacks well into the mid 1900's, right? We're not just talking about slavery here. For some of us, especially in the South, that era is only a generation or two removed. I can sit down with my father in law and talk to him about the Birmingham police turning fire hoses on blacks because he was there and saw it happen with his own eyes. Or I can sit down with my grandmother and talk about the black nanny she had growing up, who she loved and adored, but yet treated her like a 2nd class citizen.
There are examples of it even today, but I'll refrain from citing any examples so as to avoid being called a race baiter.
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And why would that be?
Maybe because they have a pulse and have just a bit of compassion? Seeing those images makes me uncomfortable, but I choose not to ignore it nor complain about there being a month designated for remembering a dark part of our past. Some would rather just ignore that it happened, perhaps because they have a guilty conscience - white guilt if you will.
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Once again, passive aggressive at it's finest
Once again, it was YOU that brought "white guilt" and "racist" into the discussion, not me. Stop deflecting.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 3:25 pm to The Spleen
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Some would rather just ignore that it happened, perhaps because they have a guilty conscience - white guilt if you will.
So let me get this straight. Your logic is that saying that we shouldn't have Black History Month, and hold all history equal, is ignoring what happened? Who said anyone would ignore what happened? So would it be impossible to educate people on discrimination by eliminating it? That's an awfully ignorant stance.
And why should they have a guilty conscience if they're not the ones that were the ones that were a part of it and are simply just a descendant of someone who was discriminatory?
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Once again, it was YOU that brought "white guilt" and "racist" into the discussion, not me. Stop deflecting.
And grow a sack and call someone racist instead of trying to beat around the bush about it. Because you do it all the time.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 3:42 pm to BluegrassBelle
the thing is, black history month isn't for white people.
You know good and damn well why we have black history month; because in my history books growing up there were chapters about Abe Lincoln freeing the slaves and sentences about Fredrick Douglas/Harriet Tubman. Because in school the only thing you learn about black people from the 1600's until now is the following
Slaves
Uncle Tom's Cabin
Were freed
Harriet Tubman and Fredrick Douglas were both important people
Booker T. Washington w/peanuts
Civil Rights
MLK
that's it. You don't learn about the Negro leagues or Jack Johnson in school. You don't' learn about Maya Angelou or W.E.B Deboius in school.
Because the most popular film depiction of white society in the 1800's is Gone with the wind; a movie about southern whites in the reconstruction era. touching love story that movie (seriously great movie). The most popular deception of black society in the 1800's is Roots, a movie about african american slaves getting the ever living shite beat out of them and a slave that refused to be called toby. this is all we got lol. AFrican American History month is to let us know that African American History is more tha Kunta Kinte.
It's the same reason we have a women's history month (march) and a national poetry month (April) because they are things that american mainstream history doesn't give enough play to.
And as an african american quite frankely it pisses me off that the one month of the frickig year you can stick your chest out and be proud that someone of the same color as you accomplished some shite and hey, you can do anything you want regardless of the color of your skin, you got some guy coming out the wood works bitching becuase he's nervous / ashamed / doesn't ant to deal with the 2-3 weeks of white guilt associated with black history month a nd a reminder of the vast advantages that he has been given up to this point in society. Because the country takes one month aside and recognizes the achievements of African Americans. that's something you can't relate to; going to school and never ever seeing anyone that looks like you ever accomplish jack shite. Show a little sensitivity. African American History month is important is beucase it reminds African Americans and hell, anyone for that matter, that if you give me the same opportunities as everyone else, I can do any god damn thing I put my mind to, and here's the fricking proof to prove it. Regardless of what anyone says, the color of my skin is not a a barrier, but a hurdle(at times if that)
That's like the white guy who says why do black people get a black entertainment television and white people don't get a white entertainment television. lol every other channel except BET is white entertainment television. And I fricking HATE BET. I dont' watch shite like that. But come on bro you are better than this.
You know good and damn well why we have black history month; because in my history books growing up there were chapters about Abe Lincoln freeing the slaves and sentences about Fredrick Douglas/Harriet Tubman. Because in school the only thing you learn about black people from the 1600's until now is the following
Slaves
Uncle Tom's Cabin
Were freed
Harriet Tubman and Fredrick Douglas were both important people
Booker T. Washington w/peanuts
Civil Rights
MLK
that's it. You don't learn about the Negro leagues or Jack Johnson in school. You don't' learn about Maya Angelou or W.E.B Deboius in school.
Because the most popular film depiction of white society in the 1800's is Gone with the wind; a movie about southern whites in the reconstruction era. touching love story that movie (seriously great movie). The most popular deception of black society in the 1800's is Roots, a movie about african american slaves getting the ever living shite beat out of them and a slave that refused to be called toby. this is all we got lol. AFrican American History month is to let us know that African American History is more tha Kunta Kinte.
It's the same reason we have a women's history month (march) and a national poetry month (April) because they are things that american mainstream history doesn't give enough play to.
And as an african american quite frankely it pisses me off that the one month of the frickig year you can stick your chest out and be proud that someone of the same color as you accomplished some shite and hey, you can do anything you want regardless of the color of your skin, you got some guy coming out the wood works bitching becuase he's nervous / ashamed / doesn't ant to deal with the 2-3 weeks of white guilt associated with black history month a nd a reminder of the vast advantages that he has been given up to this point in society. Because the country takes one month aside and recognizes the achievements of African Americans. that's something you can't relate to; going to school and never ever seeing anyone that looks like you ever accomplish jack shite. Show a little sensitivity. African American History month is important is beucase it reminds African Americans and hell, anyone for that matter, that if you give me the same opportunities as everyone else, I can do any god damn thing I put my mind to, and here's the fricking proof to prove it. Regardless of what anyone says, the color of my skin is not a a barrier, but a hurdle(at times if that)
That's like the white guy who says why do black people get a black entertainment television and white people don't get a white entertainment television. lol every other channel except BET is white entertainment television. And I fricking HATE BET. I dont' watch shite like that. But come on bro you are better than this.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 3:51 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Your logic is that saying that we shouldn't have Black History Month, and hold all history equal, is ignoring what happened?
No, that's not what I'm saying.
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Who said anyone would ignore what happened?
History, for one. Black History Moth started as Black History Week because the contributions of blacks were largely ignored in history books.
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So would it be impossible to educate people on discrimination by eliminating it?
No. Eliminating it would eliminate educating people on positive contributions from blacks though.
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And grow a sack and call someone racist instead of trying to beat around the bush about it
If I thought someone was being racist, I would. I haven't seen anyone being racist in this thread. Ignorant? Absolutely, but not racist.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:09 pm to The Spleen
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I'll refrain from citing any examples so as to avoid being called a race baiter.
You're a race baiter.
Get over it. We get it. You're black, you're butthurt, you want reparations.
Move on.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:12 pm to The Spleen
i want to also add that pretty much anyone but black people, have something to be proud of heritage wise. My best friend who is a half russian / half Italian female. like if you ask her what color she is she will tell you she's half Russian half Italian. she's proud of who she is.
as a black guy, I literally don't' even know where the frick i'm from rotfl. I've tried to trace my history back I can go back to the late 1800's on one side and to about 1920 on the other. I'm sure I'm from africa lol. But that's like telling a white person "yeah you're from Europe somewhere" versus "hey man i have Scottish ancestory"
not only do white people get american history which is a white people pat on the back circle jerk, you get to go backc and look at your own heritage rather you be German (maybe not so much lol), Scottish, English, whatever and get a good ego boost from that as well. You know how many times I've went to a forum and saw some jackoff say something like "yeah man my family traces bakc to the 1600's of lord Jackoff at Bumfrickville in England" One of my more serious girlfriends in my 20's who is white, could trace both sides of her family back to the 1500's. Do you know how amazing / empowering that is?
White people don't even bother asking black people this because they know they don't know lol. Where am I from? shite somewhere hot i imagine lol
that's why we have black history month. deal with it.
as a black guy, I literally don't' even know where the frick i'm from rotfl. I've tried to trace my history back I can go back to the late 1800's on one side and to about 1920 on the other. I'm sure I'm from africa lol. But that's like telling a white person "yeah you're from Europe somewhere" versus "hey man i have Scottish ancestory"
not only do white people get american history which is a white people pat on the back circle jerk, you get to go backc and look at your own heritage rather you be German (maybe not so much lol), Scottish, English, whatever and get a good ego boost from that as well. You know how many times I've went to a forum and saw some jackoff say something like "yeah man my family traces bakc to the 1600's of lord Jackoff at Bumfrickville in England" One of my more serious girlfriends in my 20's who is white, could trace both sides of her family back to the 1500's. Do you know how amazing / empowering that is?
White people don't even bother asking black people this because they know they don't know lol. Where am I from? shite somewhere hot i imagine lol
that's why we have black history month. deal with it.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:14 pm to scrooster
Y'all leave Belle alone 
Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:39 pm to vengeanceofrain
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You know good and damn well why we have black history month; because in my history books growing up there were chapters about Abe Lincoln freeing the slaves and sentences about Fredrick Douglas/Harriet Tubman. Because in school the only thing you learn about black people from the 1600's until now is the following
And they're in history books now. I'm 33, they were in my history books then.
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that's it. You don't learn about the Negro leagues or Jack Johnson in school. You don't' learn about Maya Angelou or W.E.B Deboius in school.
Learned all of that in school not during Black History Month. And read a lot of Maya Angelou (especially since she was involved in Clinton's inauguration ceremony).
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It's the same reason we have a women's history month (march) and a national poetry month (April) because they are things that american mainstream history doesn't give enough play to.
And neither are treated with the intensity and focus of Black History Month. But as a woman you don't see me crying over it either.
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And as an african american quite frankely it pisses me off that the one month of the frickig year you can stick your chest out and be proud that someone of the same color as you accomplished some shite and hey, you can do anything you want regardless of the color of your skin, you got some guy coming out the wood works bitching becuase he's nervous / ashamed / doesn't ant to deal with the 2-3 weeks of white guilt associated with black history month a nd a reminder of the vast advantages that he has been given up to this point in society. Because the country takes one month aside and recognizes the achievements of African Americans. that's something you can't relate to; going to school and never ever seeing anyone that looks like you ever accomplish jack shite. Show a little sensitivity. African American History month is important is beucase it reminds African Americans and hell, anyone for that matter, that if you give me the same opportunities as everyone else, I can do any god damn thing I put my mind to, and here's the fricking proof to prove it. Regardless of what anyone says, the color of my skin is not a a barrier, but a hurdle(at times if that)
Get over yourself. No one is saying ban African American history. Now you're just being melodramatic.
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That's like the white guy who says why do black people get a black entertainment television and white people don't get a white entertainment television. lol every other channel except BET is white entertainment television. And I fricking HATE BET. I dont' watch shite like that. But come on bro you are better than this.
And I'd like to think you are too.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:40 pm to BluegrassBelle
I'm just here to say:
"Sorry about February"
"Sorry about February"
Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:41 pm to The Spleen
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No. Eliminating it would eliminate educating people on positive contributions from blacks though.
And this right here is ridiculous and why I can't even take you seriously. It can't be incorporated in regular curriculum like Women, Native Americans, Hispanics, etc?
ETA: Why should Black History Month be superior to any of those contributions?
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:50 pm to CNB
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find that having BHM is racist.
Why should we keep the blacks month separated from the other months? HMMMM
I like this forum. I really do, but this is the meanest thread and was started with bad intentions.
We can't have nice things anymore can we?
Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:52 pm to DawgSmoke
I can't be wrong if Morgan Freeman agrees with me. He's black. That makes it not-racist.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:55 pm to CNB
Wrong has nothing to do with it.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:59 pm to DawgSmoke
Explain how it's mean then?
Posted on 2/4/15 at 6:09 pm to CNB
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Posted by CNBExplain how it's mean then?
Some things a man has to come about on his own.
Not saying you are right or wrong in what you presented.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 6:11 pm to DawgSmoke
So you have no argument, other than I'm mean.
Alright.
Alright.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 6:16 pm to CNB
Making progress....
Self reflection is an Attribute!
Self reflection is an Attribute!
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