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Which came first, the feather or the bird ?
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:08 pm
Feathers came first, then birds
Date: June 3, 2019
Source: University of Bristol
Summary :New research suggests that feathers arose 100 million years before birds -- changing how we look at dinosaurs, birds, and pterosaurs, the flying reptiles.
Lead author, Professor Mike Benton, from the University of Bristol's School of Earth Sciences, said: "The oldest bird is still Archaeopteryx first found in the Late Jurassic of southern Germany in 1861, although some species from China are a little older.
Danielle Dhouailly from the University of Grenoble, also a co-author, works on the development of feathers in baby birds, especially their genomic control. She said: "Modern birds like chickens often have scales on their legs or necks, and we showed these were reversals: what had once been feathers had reversed to be scales.
"In fact, we have shown that the same genome regulatory network drives the development of reptile scales, bird feathers, and mammal hairs. Feathers could have evolved very early."
Baoyu Jiang continued: "The breakthrough came when we were studying two new pterosaurs from China.
"We saw that many of their whiskers were branched. We expected single strands -- monofilaments -- but what we saw were tufts and down feathers. Pterosaurs had feathers."
Professor Benton added: "This drives the origin of feathers back to 250 million years ago at least.
"The point of origin of pterosaurs, dinosaurs and their relatives. The Early Triassic world then was recovering from the most devastating mass extinction ever, and life on land had come back from near-total wipe-out.
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Date: June 3, 2019
Source: University of Bristol
Summary :New research suggests that feathers arose 100 million years before birds -- changing how we look at dinosaurs, birds, and pterosaurs, the flying reptiles.

Lead author, Professor Mike Benton, from the University of Bristol's School of Earth Sciences, said: "The oldest bird is still Archaeopteryx first found in the Late Jurassic of southern Germany in 1861, although some species from China are a little older.
Danielle Dhouailly from the University of Grenoble, also a co-author, works on the development of feathers in baby birds, especially their genomic control. She said: "Modern birds like chickens often have scales on their legs or necks, and we showed these were reversals: what had once been feathers had reversed to be scales.
"In fact, we have shown that the same genome regulatory network drives the development of reptile scales, bird feathers, and mammal hairs. Feathers could have evolved very early."
Baoyu Jiang continued: "The breakthrough came when we were studying two new pterosaurs from China.
"We saw that many of their whiskers were branched. We expected single strands -- monofilaments -- but what we saw were tufts and down feathers. Pterosaurs had feathers."
Professor Benton added: "This drives the origin of feathers back to 250 million years ago at least.
"The point of origin of pterosaurs, dinosaurs and their relatives. The Early Triassic world then was recovering from the most devastating mass extinction ever, and life on land had come back from near-total wipe-out.
Always great stuff from : ScienceDaily
Posted on 6/4/19 at 5:49 pm to Trumansfangs
.. but the egg's still oldest
(thanks)
(thanks)
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:05 pm to awestruck
Yes, the egg came before the chicken. 

Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:02 pm to Kentucker
So what sat on the bird to hatch it and exactly what did a newborn bird, that can barely move, eat to survive?
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 8:57 pm to SOSFAN
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So what sat on the bird to hatch it
Eggs orginated long before birds of any kind did. As some reptiles evolved into dinosaurs and then fowl, their method of gestation didn't change all that much. Therefore, the egg originated millions of years before the chicken.
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and exactly what did a newborn bird, that can barely move, eat to survive?
Baby chicks (called ditlers in some parts of Kentucky and Appalachia) live on nutrition provided by the yolk while developing in the egg and and just after hatching and begin to look for food after about 48 hours.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 9:34 pm to Kentucker
yep
The first zygote wasn't from two chickens and probably way before the first pair of birds or dinosaurs.
The first zygote wasn't from two chickens and probably way before the first pair of birds or dinosaurs.
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