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Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:16 pm to hipgnosis
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that all is beside the issue
There's a point? You asked a question, and I gave you my answer.
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Money is created as debt -- debt is attached to each dollar created, the money used to pay the debt is created in the same fashion, as debt. It's a scheme that creates a spiral of debt that gives an unprecedented amount of power to the money creators, while enslaving through debt nations and people.
Ok, so money is created primary through loans in our central banking systems. We know. Do you have a prescription to change the system? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity to your perspective.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:17 pm to hipgnosis
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Is there anything specific about money that might shed light onto how it's at the apex of our troubles?
For most, money is just a means for trade.
I can't/won't speak for the person who originally said that, but I think it's a part. And I definitely agree with your 2nd comment.
For most REASONABLE, responsible people, money is what you said. It's something we get in exchange for work that allows us to acquire things. But the past couple decades you've seen a MASSIVE takeoff of 'keeping up with the joneses'-itis. Someone with a good job in a house they like and reliable transportation has a good thing going..then they see their buddy on facebook just bought an 80" TV. So now they need one. Then their neighbor buys a lexus..so they need ot buy a mercedes. And on and on. People these days (gotten especially worse with social media) are SOOOO damn concerned with apperances and what people think of their status, that they go into debt and buy shite they don't need.
I'm rambling now. I don't think the above is the "apex" of our problems as a society. But it does seem like a pretty big issue.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:17 pm to hipgnosis
Simple and secular answer: Selfishness/Pride. Root of everything we can find wrong in the world.
Jesusy answer: sin. which to me, selfishness and pride is the root of all sin.
Jesusy answer: sin. which to me, selfishness and pride is the root of all sin.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:17 pm to hipgnosis
In this country money is at the apex of errthing including family and religion. It is the ultimate american god.
But you already knew that Sleepy
But you already knew that Sleepy
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:17 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:18 pm to MIZ_COU
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In this country money is at the apex of errthing including family and religion. It is the ultimate american god.
I'd like to take 'money' a step further, see post at bottom of page 1.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:20 pm to hipgnosis
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What is at the apex of our problems?
The media. FOX NEWS, CNN, MSNBC, BET, MTV etc...
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:20 pm to knight_ryder
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The media. FOX NEWS, CNN, MSNBC, BET, MTV etc...
What controls media?
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:21 pm to Agforlife
quote:I think you mean to say the love of money, but that would be wrong, too. Sin is the problem. You could say choice because choice is the vehicle to commit sin.
Money money money oh did I say money
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:23 pm to hipgnosis
quote:Or you could take it a step higher. Why do we worship money above all else. Greed? It has to be more than that
I'd like to take 'money' a step further, see post at bottom of page 1.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:25 pm to Duke
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Ok, so money is created primary through loans in our central banking systems. We know. Do you have a prescription to change the system? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity to your perspective.
I do, or I should say some really smart people do. I'll regurgitate when I have more time.
It has to do with decentralizing the banking system, see Bank of North Dakota for a reasonable example. (Also we have the power to create currency in the treasury, interest free, but we do not. We once had a great currency system until the Britain, the western financial capital, put an end to it).
I'm about to hit the road for a road trip, wanted a brief moment of titillation by starting a thread, or I'd answer with more depth.
Cheers fellas.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:28 pm to hipgnosis
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What is at the apex of our problems as a country -- but more importantly as a globalized society?
Barack Obama and the people who vote for him, final answer.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:28 pm to hipgnosis
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What is at the apex of our problems?
Government making decisions it neither needs to make nor was originally empowered to make.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:28 pm to cokebottleag
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Barack Obama and the people who vote for him, final answer.
Should of used a life-line.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:29 pm to kingbob
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Government making decisions it neither needs to make nor was originally empowered to make.
What buys the decisions the government makes?
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:30 pm to hipgnosis
quote:There really is an infinite number of ways to change the system. If you want to just start with a tweak raise the reserve requirement to 90% or so. Then you are actually lending your own money. I wonder how many of wall street shinanigans would go away if they actually had to use their own money
Do you have a prescription to change the system?
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Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:33 pm to MIZ_COU
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There really is an infinite number of ways to change the system. If you want to just start with a tweak raise the reserve requirement to 90% or so. Then you are actually lending your own money. I wonder how many of wall street shinanigans would go away if they actually had to use their own money
Very astute.
Banking would become more of a public utility, as it should be.
They'd have the money to lend and help small business prosper, for example.
But wouldn't have the money for the exotic type of things they do with it now.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:35 pm to cokebottleag
quote:Finally. An intelligent, well researched, and thought out post. You certainly have given me much to think about.
Barack Obama and the people who vote for him, final answer.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:54 pm to MIZ_COU
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Or you could take it a step higher. Why do we worship money above all else. Greed? It has to be more than that
Greed is a part of the psyche, it's metaphysical.
There's an argument there between human nature and cultural influence, which of the two has more influence on our appetite for greed.
But what I'm concerned with as the apex is physical, it's a tangible thing, a practice that has an overwhelming impact on everything in our lives.
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