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re: What do you think is the perfect government?
Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:04 pm to Col reb 2011
Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:04 pm to Col reb 2011
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Small changes can cause huge impacts.. I don't think it's any one problem but we gotta start some where.. IMO and feel free to correct me up nothing is going to change in the banking section of the government.. Nothing.. But start small and dream big.. I don't know where to start but something's gotta give.. We are broke.. Have not had a budget in years.. And we're still giving money out like we can't make enough
I prefer to start with the trunk of the tree, which is the FED. Issues like career politicians are branches of the tree.
It's such a simple thing, yet hardly anyone is aware of what the FED actually does. They loan us money, which creates automatic debt. The shame of this is we have the power in our treasury to create money interest free.
We also make other countries (by way of military strength) sell their goods in dollars, this has created a very fragile economy. If we ever lose the ability to control other countries with our military, then the dollar collapses. That's a scary thought, to know that we aren't necessarily in control of our own destiny.
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Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:11 pm to Col reb 2011
This country is far from broke.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:16 pm to The Spleen
I hope u are being sarcastic.. We borrow more money to pay off our bills.. And if I am right which I don't know if I am or not but isn't the fed a private company and now way related to the goverment
Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:26 pm to Col reb 2011
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but isn't the fed a private company and now way related to the goverment
Correct. The FED isn't an official government entity. It's privately owned, and not even by american interests.
@Spleen. We currently need to print off 85 billion dollars a month to keep this faulty system afloat. I repeat, 85 billion dollars a month is needed to keep this thing alive. It's called Quantitive Easing... it's basically like a heroin addict that has a million dollar a day habit, it will not end well.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:31 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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It's called Quantitive Easing
Can you explain what QE is without using the term "printing money" for me?
Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:32 pm to Col reb 2011
Not sarcastic in the least. There is more than enough money in this country to pay off our debt. It may not be sitting in the government's coffers, but it is out there. Our debt to GDP ratio is currently around 75%, and has been trending down the past couple of years. Corporations are reporting record profits, the stock market is booming, etc. The money is out there.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:39 pm to The Spleen
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Not sarcastic in the least. There is more than enough money in this country to pay off our debt.
You don't understand how money is created.
For each dollar created debt is attached to it by way of interest, to pay that interest you have to use money that also has interest/debt attached to it. It's a ponzi scheme.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:40 pm to Sleeping Tiger
I'm not saying the system isn't flawed, as it certainly is. I'm just saying this country is far from broke.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:43 pm to Duke
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Can you explain what QE is without using the term "printing money" for me?
It has to do more with purchasing than printing. It is however basically the same thing.. it's an injection of money into the market each month to keep it from failing. It's hard enough for people to understand the most basic of information in the financial arena.. confusing them with semantics doesn't usually help.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:44 pm to The Spleen
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I'm not saying the system isn't flawed, as it certainly is. I'm just saying this country is far from broke.
You're lost. Never mind.
This post was edited on 10/31/13 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 10/31/13 at 4:46 pm to Sleeping Tiger
What are they buying and from whom?
Posted on 10/31/13 at 6:27 pm to hawgfaninc
No government.
They all have value. Strengths, weaknesses. Democracy has low starvation.
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That's kinda huge in terms of other problems.
They all have value. Strengths, weaknesses. Democracy has low starvation.
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That's kinda huge in terms of other problems.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 6:28 pm to hawgfaninc
Strong federal government that doesn't suck the collective cocks of the major companies/institutions
Local and state governments are generally inept at doing anything
Local and state governments are generally inept at doing anything
Posted on 10/31/13 at 6:28 pm to hawgfaninc
I prescribe to anarcho-capitalism/agorism, so I would say none. All functions of government can be carried out more efficiently, and less violently, by private individuals.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 6:35 pm to HempHead
quote:while meritous in truth, the problem arises in the successors of millions of positions. Look at college coaching.
I prescribe to anarcho-capitalism/agorism, so I would say none. All functions of government can be carried out more efficiently, and less violently, by private individuals.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 6:37 pm to PepaSpray
Not thoroughly a democrat, but I do lean on the Gracchian side a smidge. Well...im more Ciceronian, with a few Gracchian principles.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 6:48 pm to Sleeping Tiger
To print out 85 billion, we instantly owe the federal reserve 8.5 billion.
Sad face.
Sad face.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 6:57 pm to PepaSpray
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while meritous in truth, the problem arises in the successors of millions of positions. Look at college coaching.
The same problem lies within a monopolized government, and becomes even more problematic for the same reason. No one believes that a monopoly on auto manufacturing, electronics, or clothing is beneficial to the consumer. Why is this same logic not applied to defense, arbitration, currency, etc.,?
Posted on 10/31/13 at 7:29 pm to HempHead
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No one believes that a monopoly on auto manufacturing, electronics, or clothing is beneficial to the consumer. Why is this same logic not applied to defense, arbitration, currency, etc.,
Speaking of applying logic.
Communism is said to be okay in theory, but impossible in reality. Human nature being a major factor as to why it is good in theory but not in reality.
Why is the same logic not applied to the critique of capitalism? In theory it's great. But as we can see it's not exactly working as the theory suggests. If you say that it's not working because it's not in pure form, that isn't a valid response. It's the economic system we abide by, but as we see human nature (and other factors) have turned it into something crony.
I'm sure you'll say that a removal of the state will solve the purity issue with capitalism. While I agree the state is overgrown, and we'd be better without armed federal governments, I think human nature has as much to do with the failure of capitalism as the state.
No ism or reduction or growth of the state will save us. A conscious evolution on a collective level, allowing us to break free as a species is the one thing that will makes things different, making all of this talk obsolete.
This post was edited on 10/31/13 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 10/31/13 at 9:16 pm to hawgfaninc
there is little in a strong and stable government to unite the people.
when this is occurring, as is now, people turn and now want the government to give to them. greed takes over and the government cannot support the immense number of freeloaders.
We are still the same people who sacrificed both home and abroad during WWII. but then we are were proud to be Americans and wanted best for the country, not necessarily our individual selves.
im not advocating a new war, but honestly, it would reunite the people of this country.
when this is occurring, as is now, people turn and now want the government to give to them. greed takes over and the government cannot support the immense number of freeloaders.
We are still the same people who sacrificed both home and abroad during WWII. but then we are were proud to be Americans and wanted best for the country, not necessarily our individual selves.
im not advocating a new war, but honestly, it would reunite the people of this country.
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