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re: What all can one purchase with an EBT card?
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:46 am to CheeseburgerEddie
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:46 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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Spend more money on trade class education etc. start putting money towards a work force instead of breeding and encouraging government reliance.
Who cares about teaching the dumb kids a trade and how to take care of themselves if it means sacrificing their education in algebra and 19th century British literature?
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Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:47 am to Robot Santa
thats why those people should be cut off and left to either die in the streets or go to private charity. the ones like them serve no real value at all to the country
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:50 am to heartbreakTiger
We also need to stop teaching young people that if you do not go to college then you are a failure. And show them that you can make a good living (50k +) through trade school education and acquiring a skill to become a welder, electrician, etc.
I think every person deserves the chance to go to college, however they also need to understand that it will be difficult and that it is not the only option. The cost of an education will decrease as a result of not as many people thinking I must do this and taking a year or so off to work and see what else is out there.
I think every person deserves the chance to go to college, however they also need to understand that it will be difficult and that it is not the only option. The cost of an education will decrease as a result of not as many people thinking I must do this and taking a year or so off to work and see what else is out there.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:52 am to heartbreakTiger
With you on the college front, but labor intensive work still keeps going overseas. Its not easy to find good work if you dont have a college degree atm. The american energy boom along with industry focusing on efficency and quality to combat third world wages is going to ease that problem in the future imo. Specialized skills are growing ever more important in the global economy.
I disagree on your vote slaves theory however, the real problem is unwinding good intended programs that have created too large a population of free riders. Much easier to keep the status quo than to deal with that pickle.
I disagree on your vote slaves theory however, the real problem is unwinding good intended programs that have created too large a population of free riders. Much easier to keep the status quo than to deal with that pickle.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:53 am to CheeseburgerEddie
quote:I agree, i think everyone should get a chance if they like but I think we need to be advising kids with at least sub 2.5 gpas that maybe they would like a skill instead of college.
I think every person deserves the chance to go to college, however they also need to understand that it will be difficult and that it is not the only option. The cost of an education will decrease as a result of not as many people thinking I must do this and taking a year or so off to work and see what else is out there.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:54 am to Duke
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Most dont want to admit a large portion of their hate against social programs has something to do with who they believe gets it.
Wrong.
I rent low-income and section 8 apartments in downtown Birmingham. I am around and deal with this type of stuff 5 days a week, 12 months a year, for almost 4 years.
Honestly, I had no problem with social programs until I got this job. I have a problem with people abusing social programs, and around 75% of my tenants do just that. I understand the need for these programs, and have no isses with people who truly need them. My problem is that most of the people I deal with that are on social programs, don't need them. They use the system and it just pisses me off.
I have tenants that are my age (28-30) that are on section 8, receive SSI checks for them and their children, recieve food stamps, have their utilities paid, etc. On top of all that, they have jobs that pay them under the table. They are capable of working a fulltime job and are not disabled.
I also understand that sometimes people just have shitty luck, and have no problem with social programs helping them bounce back. But I believe there should be a time limit on these programs; unless you're truly disabled or elderly.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:54 am to sorantable
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What all can one purchase with an EBT card?
Anything you want. Some things can't be purchased at the store with them, so you've got to convert to cash but that is child's play.
The easiest way they're converted to cash is 'selling' them for x on the dollar. You either purchase the goods, which are then sold to someone else at less than face value or you simply let them take the card in exchange for the cash.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:58 am to CheeseburgerEddie
6th-8th grade should serve as an evaluation period. The children who exhibit a certain degree of ability go on to a college prep track in 9th-12th grade. The children who don't show that type of ability go on to a vocational track where they learn a trade, how to handle their finances, etc.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:59 am to Robot Santa
Ha, that would never fly at my HS.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:00 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Ha, that would never fly at my HS.
Wouldn't fly at mine either.
I also did just enough to get into the College of my choice in HS. I didn't actually put forth effort or give a shite until I started college.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:00 pm to Duke
its the perfect vote farm though and a political party isn't going to cast off its nice vote farm to better the country. It might not be the only reason for not changing the programs like they need to be but its a reason to not do it. If i give someone just enough to be happy why would they better themselves? most people wont especially poor dumb people. they will take their free food and get to spend their cash on other things like booze and drugs and they can feel like rich people. you take that away from a good portion of your voting base and they might leave for the other party or just stop voting.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:03 pm to Robot Santa
i was going to suggest that but it would be hard to implement because of how kids are. id say evaluate them in 6th-9th. once they get to 10th grade sit down with them and their parent/s and discuss putting them on a slightly different track than those that do better.
at the very least schools should be making the less academic kids aware that there are other options besides fast food and college
at the very least schools should be making the less academic kids aware that there are other options besides fast food and college
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:04 pm to AUnite
I was hoping for a less reasonable response. I am disappointed.
My gf does workers comp adjusting and there is significant abuse there as well. Why so much abuse? I theorize its because the abusers are never going to be making a lot of money even if they work...so why not get similar benefits not working?
My thing is fixing the abuse isnt as easy as reforming the actual program alone. The whole system seems to be a well intentioned mess.
Still sad I couldnt out you as a klan sympathizer.
My gf does workers comp adjusting and there is significant abuse there as well. Why so much abuse? I theorize its because the abusers are never going to be making a lot of money even if they work...so why not get similar benefits not working?
My thing is fixing the abuse isnt as easy as reforming the actual program alone. The whole system seems to be a well intentioned mess.
Still sad I couldnt out you as a klan sympathizer.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:05 pm to Robot Santa
You are going a little too far with the 6th to 8th grade business. I think we can incorporate all of this in the education system as it sits (which is not perfect at all). I was a little a-hole in 8th grade, but still got offers from some very fine institutions.
And none of this is an easy fix, it starts and ends with money, which we don't have. Take money out of SOME of the federal assistance programs which breed government assistance and pay teachers better, etc. Parents need to get involved but hopefully quality teachers who get paid well and have an interest in the well being of their students will be able to get through to them when parents are uninvolved.
A course in "Personal Responsibilty / Personal Finance / Responsibility of a Citizen" etc. should be a required course changing each semester for 9th and 10th grade, or the final two years up until a student doesn't have to go to school anymore. The trade schools should be after high school.
And none of this is an easy fix, it starts and ends with money, which we don't have. Take money out of SOME of the federal assistance programs which breed government assistance and pay teachers better, etc. Parents need to get involved but hopefully quality teachers who get paid well and have an interest in the well being of their students will be able to get through to them when parents are uninvolved.
A course in "Personal Responsibilty / Personal Finance / Responsibility of a Citizen" etc. should be a required course changing each semester for 9th and 10th grade, or the final two years up until a student doesn't have to go to school anymore. The trade schools should be after high school.
This post was edited on 6/4/13 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:07 pm to heartbreakTiger
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its the perfect vote farm though and a political party isn't going to cast off its nice vote farm to better the country
The only issue I have with this is when other parties have had the majority they have also neglected to do much about it. It's a systematic problem across the board. I'd be opposed to eliminating it all together because I've seen kids that legitimately need it and don't abuse it.
The fix is pretty basic though when it comes to EBT cards. Eliminate what they can purchase with it down to the basics like meat, cheese, milk, eggs, bread, etc. I wouldn't be at all opposed to going back to "government stores" where you had to pick up your ration through them.
This post was edited on 6/4/13 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:10 pm to BluegrassBelle
i wonder what the cost of the gov stores would be though. Im sure in the short run it would be a good bit but once they got implemented and settled in it might be ok.
I agree neither left or right will cast off its voters to better the country
I agree neither left or right will cast off its voters to better the country
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:11 pm to Duke
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The answer you want to say is funny, because by numbers there are more white folks on food stamps than black people.
By the straight numbers, yes but it is very close. Each group accounts for about 40% of recipients. As a percentage of the population, there's a vast disparity which leads to the stereotype.
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Most dont want to admit a large portion of their hate against social programs has something to do with who they believe gets it.
That's probably true for more than a few, but if you ever work in any part of the system and care about your tax dollars or even simple honesty you'll become completely disgusted in a very short period of time.
It is a cesspool of corruption.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:11 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Parents need to get involved but hopefully quality teachers who get paid well and have an interest in the well being of their students will be able to get through to them when parents are uninvolved.
I hate to say this, but you could pay a teacher double their current salary but they can only do so much. Now I'm not saying they shouldn't be paid more.
Tie welfare assistance to parent participation. They're obviously not working if they're drawing that much, so they have plenty of time and resources to get their to schools on conference days and for various programs.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:12 pm to heartbreakTiger
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i wonder what the cost of the gov stores would be though. Im sure in the short run it would be a good bit but once they got implemented and settled in it might be ok.
We did it once before. You didn't used to go to the corporate grocery store to pick up your goods in some places if you were receiving assistance. You stood in line for it at a government center. Of course this was 30 some odd years ago.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:12 pm to Duke
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I was hoping for a less reasonable response. I am disappointed.
I kind of figured that. I almost went full crazy, just to type just kidding at the end and then go into my actual response. quote:
My gf does workers comp adjusting and there is significant abuse there as well. Why so much abuse? I theorize its because the abusers are never going to be making a lot of money even if they work...so why not get similar benefits not working?
I bet that's aggravating as shite too.
That's a good theory, and could very well be true. It still pisses me off though.
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My thing is fixing the abuse isnt as easy as reforming the actual program alone. The whole system seems to be a well intentioned mess.
It's a gigantic cluster-frick IMO. All of those programs should be revamped if anyone asks me. They should also include some job training, resume writing skills, interview techniques, etc. Sadly, no one in power gives a frick about my opinions on the matter.
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Still sad I couldnt out you as a klan sympathizer
Yeah, I'm definitely not a klan sympathizer. Sorry. Maybe next time someone will bite
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