re: This is why people voted against the far left

The argument against this is that it will encourage many more people to go out to vote. How many republicans in California do you think stay home since they already know the state will go blue? How many dems in Texas stay home for the same reason? It would be nice if every vote mattered equally, not just the ones in Ohio, Florida, NC and the like.

This last election notwithstanding, it seems like both candidates spend majority of their time in 8 states and more or less ignore the other 42.

I'm all for the popular vote.

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T.I.L.- North Dakota has the same number of electoral votes as California

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What made you think that?

ND: 739,482 pop / 3 electoral votes = 246,494 people/vote.
CA: 38,800,000 pop / 55 electoral votes = 705,454 people/vote

Obviously those numbers change slightly as you eliminate the people that aren't allowed to vote, but the point still stands.

In those two maps you posted, I see a lot of areas where few people live.

I voted Trump simply because I could not stomach another four years of ever increasing creep to the far left. I can barely stomach Trump, and voted with right hand while left hand pinched nose. Most all my neighbors and friends in south Alabama told me similar tales. This is the first election in memory in which I don't think I saw a single Trump lawn sign around town, even though it went heavily Trump as expected. I hope the arrogant, narcissistic, lying, pompous bastard is kicked out of office, impeached, the sooner the better, and replaced with Pence.

Exposing fraud is racist according to your team

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Exposing fraud is racist according to your team

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Who the frick is my team? I'm for exposing fraud, both foreign and domestic.

I don't think he's used to rational thinking he spends a lot of time on the poliboard. Neutral opinions are treated as treason over there

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Who the frick is my team?

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Oh, is this where you pretend to be a registered independent?


You weren't bitching about the Electoral College 2 months ago.

I see both sides to the EC issue, but what isn't acceptable is what the left is doing by claiming it's not fair while they knew the rules before the election happened. The EC process has been around for a long time and bitching about it now afterwards is simply just clinging to straws for an excuse for losing.

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I see both sides to the EC issue, but what isn't acceptable is what the left is doing by claiming it's not fair while they knew the rules before the election happened.

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I agree with this.

I think it is an issue that can be discussed, but not the way it is now. This discussion at this time is more sour grapes.

It does not change the fact there are reasons to re-evaluate the system, but the motive now is not really about the EC, it is about some people not liking the results.

There are a lot of registered voters who do not vote and I am sure reasons vary, but I think the concept of your vote not "counting" does hold sway in some states.

I also do think this keeps a lot of candidates at the top of the ballot from campaigning in those bigger states, and that hurts down ballot. On the other hand, you could argue that some candidates would bypass smaller states entirely if it was a popular vote.

Any representative democracy will have its flaws --- it is just inherent in the system.

I also question people who assume that a popular vote would have been different than the current results. Trying to use popular results from and election that used the EC is not really fair. The campaigns would have been different and turnout would have probably been different.

On a separate tangent, I did find the way Australia allowed you to list preferences when you voted interesting.

I read several on here basically say they voted for someone they did not want because they wanted someone else even less.

In Australia, you listed your vote by preference. So if you thought the Libertarian was the best choice, you could put that party as number one. But if that candidate was not in the top two, your next choice counted.

That system has flaws as well, but it is interesting.