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Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:13 am to boddagetta
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Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:13 am to UMRealist
I believe in Justice and rightful protection of the individual. If somebody threatens or harms me or my family, I will retaliate.
Simply, there are certain people who do not deserver to live, and those people are violent criminals. They destroy innocent people's lives, and that in and of itself is justification to take away their right to live.
It does not put me in the same category as them, as I have no intention of ever hurting or killing anyone. But if forced into the situation where they are harming or intending to harm me or my family, then the gloves are off. Me prevailing over that criminal, protecting innocent people from harm, knowing justice was served, lets me know I did what was right.
Simply, there are certain people who do not deserver to live, and those people are violent criminals. They destroy innocent people's lives, and that in and of itself is justification to take away their right to live.
It does not put me in the same category as them, as I have no intention of ever hurting or killing anyone. But if forced into the situation where they are harming or intending to harm me or my family, then the gloves are off. Me prevailing over that criminal, protecting innocent people from harm, knowing justice was served, lets me know I did what was right.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:17 am to deltaland
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If somebody threatens or harms me or my family, I will retaliate.
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Simply, there are certain people who do not deserver to live, and those people are violent criminals. They destroy innocent people's lives, and that in and of itself is justification to take away their right to live
So kind of like what I posted, what if it was one of your family members that was the violent criminal, that destryed an innocent person's life. Would someone else retaliating against them then suffer retaliation from you?
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:17 am to boddagetta
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righteously justified according to who?
Common sense?
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Hypothetically, let's say your daughter accused my son of raping her. In my mind, my son allegedly raped your daughter, but in your mind he actually did rape your daughter.
Problem here is I don't know for sure. I'd be pissed, but I wouldn't kill anyone (and honestly I was talking about someone who murdered/tried to murder my own).
You just compared apples to oranges with that one, bodda
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:19 am to boddagetta
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So kind of like what I posted, what if it was one of your family members that was the violent criminal, that destryed an innocent person's life. Would someone else retaliating against them then suffer retaliation from you?
The point here is not "you kill mine, I kill yours," necessarily. If my family member was in the wrong to begin with, then that's where it ends, IMO.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:19 am to TbirdSpur2010
Ok, then let's say my son allegedely murdered your daughter instead of raping her. Then what?
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:19 am to boddagetta
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Hypothetically, let's say your daughter accused my son of raping her. In my mind, my son allegedly raped your daughter, but in your mind he actually did rape your daughter.
Big difference here is "accused" and "caught in the act" in the case of rape.
If I walk in and my daughter is screaming for help as your son rapes her, then his arse is gone. If she accuses him, then it goes to trial for evidence and a hearing. Nobody is saying kill first ask questions later, only if it is a first hand situation where there is no doubt. If it goes to trial and he is found unanimously guilty by a higher court then yes, I would want the death penalty.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:22 am to boddagetta
I guess my point is, who are you or me or anyone else in this thread to decide justice? We have a system in place in this country for that. Whether you agree with it 100% of the time is beside the point. You fail to follow the system in place, then you fall under the same consequences as the ones you are condemning.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:23 am to boddagetta
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Ok, then let's say my son allegedely murdered your daughter instead of raping her. Then what?
There's the kicker.
If I'm gonna take some fools life, I'm gonna know for sure they deserved it. Last thing I want is innocent blood on my hands.
If there's no doubt, though, it's curtains.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:23 am to boddagetta
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So kind of like what I posted, what if it was one of your family members that was the violent criminal, that destryed an innocent person's life. Would someone else retaliating against them then suffer retaliation from you?
If somebody in my family committed murder then I would want them dead and would consider him to be a disgrace to the family, same goes for pedophilia.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:24 am to boddagetta
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who are you or me or anyone else in this thread to decide justice?
The ones most closely affected by wrongdoing.
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We have a system in place in this country for that.
That's nice, but it's far from perfect, as we all know.
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You fail to follow the system in place, then you fall under the same consequences as the ones you are condemning.
Wrong. Otherwise folks wouldn't be let off for "crimes of passion," if you'll pardon the turn of phrase.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:26 am to deltaland
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If somebody in my family committed murder then I would want them dead and would consider him to be a disgrace to the family
Depending on the circumstances of the murder they committed I would agree.
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same goes for pedophilia.
One thing I hate about our current prison system is that pedophiles are generally kept away from Gen. Pop. I say let the inmates take care of the child rapists.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:27 am to boddagetta
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who are you or me or anyone else in this thread to decide justice? We have a system in place in this country for that.
True but you also have to recognize those that run that system are human also, and flawed. They are also corrupt in many instances and many guilty people get off the hook way too easy. So really, in cases of ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY can they be trusted to administer proper justice? I say no...they are only useful in cases of uncertainty or non violent or lesser violent offenses.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:27 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Wrong. Otherwise folks wouldn't be let off for "crimes of passion," if you'll pardon the turn of phrase.
My stepfather has been doing life in prison since 96 for a crime of passion that resulted in an accidental death.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:28 am to 870Hog
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I say let the inmates take care of the child rapists.
This. They deserve every bit of it. I see Pedophilia as a more severe crime than murder (except murder of a child)..it is just sickening to me.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:29 am to TbirdSpur2010
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crimes of passion
Interesting point. So if a guy catches me banging his wife and kills me, no doubt about it kills me, caught in the act, confesses whatever, and gets off easy because it was a "crime of passion", Is it OK for a member of my family to retaliate?
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:30 am to boddagetta
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Interesting point. So if a guy catches me banging his wife and kills me, no doubt about it kills me, caught in the act, confesses whatever, and gets off easy because it was a "crime of passion", Is it OK for a member of my family to retaliate?
Nope. That's what I've been trying to say
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:31 am to UMRealist
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My stepfather has been doing life in prison since 96 for a crime of passion that resulted in an accidental death.
Hence, why I said it's an imperfect system earlier.
Sorry about your stepfather btw.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:31 am to boddagetta
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Interesting point. So if a guy catches me banging his wife and kills me, no doubt about it kills me, caught in the act, confesses whatever, and gets off easy because it was a "crime of passion", Is it OK for a member of my family to retaliate?
ETA I misread it. But that is actually a tricky answer. The husband obviously wasn't justified in the killing as you weren't committing a crime, but your immediate family also wouldn't be there watching you frick his wife so there is no first hand incident, the guy would have been already arrested and taken to trial so the point here is moot.
This post was edited on 4/16/13 at 12:34 am
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:33 am to deltaland
actually that's textbook crime of passion
Crime of Passion: refers to a violent crime, especially murder, in which the perpetrator commits the act against someone because of sudden strong impulse such as sudden rage or heartbreak rather than as a premeditated crime.
Crime of Passion: refers to a violent crime, especially murder, in which the perpetrator commits the act against someone because of sudden strong impulse such as sudden rage or heartbreak rather than as a premeditated crime.
This post was edited on 4/16/13 at 12:35 am
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