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re: Sensible arguments for gun control
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:50 pm to MIZ_COU
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:50 pm to MIZ_COU
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They tried to make it illegal and it didn't work because it's to easy to make yourself. I don't see a lot of backyard AR15 stills popping up if you make them illegal
By making something illegal, such as a gun, for the reasons you claim, criminals will just find another method or tool instead of a gun. Just like citizens brewing their own alcohol
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:50 pm to MIZ_COU
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If you are literalist then we can't ban nuclear arms then can we
Why would one be a literalist, when the Founding Fathers stated the purpose of the 2nd Amendment?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
—Amendment II
The provision was easily accepted, however, because everyone agreed that the federal government should not have the power to infringe the right of the people to keep and bear arms any more than it should have the power to abridge the freedom of speech or prohibit the free exercise of religion.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:51 pm to Duke
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Like most southern cities, the crime is pretty concentrated in certain parts of town. I'll stop at the gas station by my apartment at 1 am with little concern for my safety. I sure as shite wouldn't do that on Airways or Plank and Scenic here
That's how it is in pretty much every city in America, including the gun rights crowd's favorite Chicago. To hear them talk about Chicago, you'd think it was a war zone, and it is in pockets of the city, but not everywhere. And the reason it is that way has little to do with gun laws. The city closed several public housing projects due to crime in those projects. They split up the tenants, many of whom were gang members, and spread them out over other projects. This move blurred the lines of gang turf as many rival gang members were placed in the same projects.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:52 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
I don't have the answers. I do have my thoughts. Personal liberty vs. public safety is always a trade off with no perfect solution. Just look at the terrorism debate. It would just be nice to have some actual debate about it and I can assure you this isn't it.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:53 pm to NYCAuburn
Everyone I know uses Mossberg or Benelli.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:55 pm to WheelRoute
if you want to be a beta that is cool. I don't think we should put restrictions on your ability to be a beta.
I'm still waiting for how you are safer with more regulation. Chicago has high regulation on guns and yet gun violence is bad in Chicago. Schools have very tight regulations on guns and yet we have massacres that occur in schools. those regulations aren't keeping you safe.
I'm still waiting for how you are safer with more regulation. Chicago has high regulation on guns and yet gun violence is bad in Chicago. Schools have very tight regulations on guns and yet we have massacres that occur in schools. those regulations aren't keeping you safe.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:55 pm to Alahunter
quote:So what does this mean practically today since you are now the supreme court. Can I own a fully armed blackhawk if I want?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. —Amendment II The provision was easily accepted, however, because everyone agreed that the federal government should not have the power to infringe the right of the people to keep and bear arms any more than it should have the power to abridge the freedom of speech or prohibit the free exercise of religion.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:55 pm to Rebelgator
It's always the people who have never lived in urban environments who cite urban statistics to defend their right to gun ownership in rural areas.
Also, I'm beginning to realize that Alahunter is not an intelligent man.
Also, I'm beginning to realize that Alahunter is not an intelligent man.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:56 pm to The Spleen
2014 shootings in Chicago
Jan. 1, 2014 - April 2, 2014
288 shooting victims
Map shows it pretty widespread for the most part
Jan. 1, 2014 - April 2, 2014
288 shooting victims
Map shows it pretty widespread for the most part
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:57 pm to Rebelgator
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There's not a single area in this town I'm worried about being in after dark.
I have an aversion to the state named streets.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:59 pm to heartbreakTiger
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if you want to be a beta that is cool. I don't think we should put restrictions on your ability to be a beta.
Are you using the term "beta" unironically? Oh wow.
You know if you wanted to be truly "alpha" you'd be the one doing the robbing, not living in fear of being robbed.
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I'm still waiting for how you are safer with more regulation.
When you catch people w/ outlawed firearms you can put them in jail.
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Chicago has high regulation on guns and yet gun violence is bad in Chicago.
Hooray for anecdotal data!
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Schools have very tight regulations on guns and yet we have massacres that occur in schools
Do you truly believe that the reason for school shootings is b/c the student handbook says no firearms in school?
As a counterpoint, have you noticed any mass shootings on Army bases recently?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:59 pm to WheelRoute
Because I counter your claims with factual statements? You're throwing out opinions, with nothing to back them up and when an opposing view is made in reply, you fall to, (who'd guess) a personal attack?
I'd still like to see an argument that would justify stripping away a Constitutional Right. So far, nothing but emotion and a product looks scary, and I just don't think you should.. has been offered as reasons.
I'd still like to see an argument that would justify stripping away a Constitutional Right. So far, nothing but emotion and a product looks scary, and I just don't think you should.. has been offered as reasons.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:00 pm to WheelRoute
I have lived in semi urban areas my entire life. FWIW self defense isn't the main reason i'm against over regulation. Personal freedom is the biggest reason I am against over regulation.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:01 pm to Alahunter
Yeah, and the majority of them correlate pretty closely to this map of where the housing projects are located on the south and west sides.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:03 pm to WheelRoute
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When you catch people w/ outlawed firearms you can put them in jail
This would be nice. However, the current administration, who is intent on infringing on lawful citizens' rights, has prosecuted the least amount of people arrested on gun crimes, than any other administration the last 20 yrs.
They're also responsible for releasing more firearms to criminals, than any other organization or person in the U.S. while in office.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:04 pm to The Spleen
I wasn't looking at the last 14 yrs. I was looking at this year, which would seem to be more relevant, and there isn't a huge concentration. It's pretty widespread.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:05 pm to Alahunter
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Because I counter your claims with factual statements? You're throwing out opinions, with nothing to back them up and when an opposing view is made in reply, you fall to, (who'd guess) a personal attack?
No, it's b/c you implied Afghanistan was analogous to US martial law and cited Waco as an example of how guns could have helped thwart gov't overreach (guess what, they had guns).
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:06 pm to Alahunter
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This would be nice. However, the current administration, who is intent on infringing on lawful citizens' rights, has prosecuted the least amount of people arrested on gun crimes, than any other administration the last 20 yrs.
They're also responsible for releasing more firearms to criminals, than any other organization or person in the U.S. while in office.
Oh look, a red herring.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:06 pm to WheelRoute
I cited folks armed with less than tanks and WMD's, as being able to defend themselves.
I never once used the term or word thwart. I said deter. I wouldn't expect you to be honest in any way though.
I never once used the term or word thwart. I said deter. I wouldn't expect you to be honest in any way though.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:06 pm to WheelRoute
Nevermind facts. Right? And that it was a reply to prosecuting gun crimes, which you brought up.
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