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Scientists Just Cloned Monkeys. Humans Could Be Next.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:31 pm
A World’s First
What's your take on cloning humans? How could humanity benefit from it? Is it immoral?
I would be for it if there were only a couple of billion people on the planet instead of 7.5 billion. It would be ideal if we could limit cloning to parts of people rather than a whole body. Someone who had lost a leg, arm or eye, for example, could have a perfectly compatible replacement cloned.
It's illegal in most countries but that isn't going to stop it happening. Should we develop the technology in the US just in case there's an unforeseen benefit (profit) that might arise after it's perfected? The Chinese seem bent on exploring areas of science that make Americans skittish.
What's your take on cloning humans? How could humanity benefit from it? Is it immoral?
I would be for it if there were only a couple of billion people on the planet instead of 7.5 billion. It would be ideal if we could limit cloning to parts of people rather than a whole body. Someone who had lost a leg, arm or eye, for example, could have a perfectly compatible replacement cloned.
It's illegal in most countries but that isn't going to stop it happening. Should we develop the technology in the US just in case there's an unforeseen benefit (profit) that might arise after it's perfected? The Chinese seem bent on exploring areas of science that make Americans skittish.
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In a new study published in Cell, a team of Chinese researchers led by Qiang Sun at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Neuroscience in Shanghai reveal that they’ve found a way to tweak the Dolly cloning technique to make it work in primates. Their efforts have resulted in the birth of two cloned female macaques: Zhong Zhong and Hua Hua.
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But here’s the thing to remember: we have broken the technical barrier to cloning humans, and there’s no going back. While national and international regulations prevent human cloning, not everyone abides by the law. Something that we must realize is that scientific advancements aren’t always determined by what we should do but simply what we can do. We can ban whatever science we want, but we can’t stop it.
Perhaps it’s time to ask ourselves whether it might be time to consider regulation instead of prohibition?
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Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:36 pm to Kentucker
Just because you clone something does not mean you get the same result.
Imagine you clone a person with two clones. While you may have copied the body the same they could have very opposite personalities.
If the original was an alcoholic
Clone A could choose to drink
Clone B could choose to not drink
Imagine you clone a person with two clones. While you may have copied the body the same they could have very opposite personalities.
If the original was an alcoholic
Clone A could choose to drink
Clone B could choose to not drink
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:39 pm to Kentucker
If we are going to clone anything, it needs to be cows because meat.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:45 pm to Kentucker
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What's your take on cloning humans? How could humanity benefit from it? Is it immoral?
How much for my own Margot Robbie?
I'm kidding kind of
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:47 pm to kywildcatfanone
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If we are going to clone anything, it needs to be cows because meat.
I would suggest things that eat jellyfish. As we have decimated the sea for food the jellyfish are losing the things that eat them and keep them in check. LINK
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:49 pm to Cheese Grits
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Imagine you clone a person with two clones. While you may have copied the body the same they could have very opposite personalities.
Don't you think the result in your example would be more like identical twins? While they have the same DNA, their individual life experiences determine their personalities. That's the same for all of us.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:51 pm to Kentucker
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What's your take on cloning humans? How could humanity benefit from it? Is it immoral?
Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should. Unfortunately, science is money driven with little regard to ethics,
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:52 pm to kywildcatfanone
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If we are going to clone anything, it needs to be cows because meat.
Some labs are trying to grow meat-like protein that mimics beef. They've succeeded, but the process doesn't yield a lot of "meat" and it's exceedingly expensive. Maybe soon we won't need cows for meat.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:55 pm to The_Joker
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w much for my own Margot Robbie?
I would call this a future problem with cloning. If it comes to the point that we clone people for individuals' gratification, it becomes immoral to me.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:01 pm to RECConspiracy
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Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should.
I would rephrase your statement to, "Just because something can be done means it's sure to be done." Humans don't have a world government and values differ from country to country. Chinese values, for example, don't pose the same restrictions that American values do.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:07 pm to Kentucker
We should clone famous dead people and have them live in museums and make films like George Washington, Lincoln, JFK.
Also, we should just have blank clones so we could suck organs out of them.
Also, we should just have blank clones so we could suck organs out of them.
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 1/29/18 at 8:26 pm to Kentucker
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While they have the same DNA, their individual life experiences determine their personalities.
Which is why they would not really be clones as much as vessels for individual people.
I think most of cloning of humans is based on them wanting to be immortal so they clone their body with a younger version as they age. Problem is there is no complete data transfer so what is your memory storage is not assured of exact transfer of data. So here you are with a narcissistic personality and lots of power (like our current POTUS) and you transfer into a newer "shell" but there is no guarantee it will be mentally equal. An aged male with apparent bias to race and sex of his generation is stuck in a new body that may choose to be a homosexual who prefers black men to European blonde women with above average looks.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:31 pm to Cheese Grits
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Problem is there is no complete data transfer so what is your memory storage is not assured of exact transfer of data.
We don't yet know how the brain stores memories. If we learn that we might be able to write one person's memories into the brain of another person. Of course, there would be a greater chance of success of writing memories between identical people.
The issue of consciousness comes up at this point. Because of the -ness added to the end of conscious, we tend to think of consciousness as a physical thing. It isn't. It's merely a process performed by the brain.
Do the brains of identical people (identical twins, for example) perform exactly the same? No. Even if identical twins, the only human clones we know of, were raised in a lab to have exactly the same experiences, they would still have different brains. Consequently, their consciousness processes would be different.
While the mystery of consciousness still fascinates us, we know enough about it and the human anatomy to understand that it is unique to the brain and body of every individual. It cannot be transferred or duplicated. It's as finite as the brain that performs it as a process and ends when the brain dies.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 10:31 am to Kentucker
A full fledged human clone is more of a given then a probability at this point. Its just a question of someone doing it. The problem being, for most people, that the clone will likely have enough variance that it won't look exactly like the person it was cloned from.
I do think we are getting ever closer to people being able to clone body parts and organs. A lab grown kidney made from your own cells that probably won't be rejected by your body or a new heart could save millions of lives. Indeed if we can successfully clone internal organs we could be extending the human life span by quite a bit.
The choke point would be the brain though. We don't have a way to transfer memories so once the brain gives out or is destroyed then that person is toast.
Speaking of cloning I wonder if they are still working on cloning mammoths and the thylacine?
I do think we are getting ever closer to people being able to clone body parts and organs. A lab grown kidney made from your own cells that probably won't be rejected by your body or a new heart could save millions of lives. Indeed if we can successfully clone internal organs we could be extending the human life span by quite a bit.
The choke point would be the brain though. We don't have a way to transfer memories so once the brain gives out or is destroyed then that person is toast.
Speaking of cloning I wonder if they are still working on cloning mammoths and the thylacine?
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:14 am to Kentucker
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Scientists Just Cloned the Monkees. Humans Could Be Next.
You know they are too busy singing to put anybody down.
True Story.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:32 am to Cheese Grits
Noooooo! 
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:44 am to Kentucker
Useless trivia...
Most thought the Monkees were British because of their lead man, but the other 3 were born and raised in America.
Also, Nesmith's mom was the inventor of Liquid Paper
Most thought the Monkees were British because of their lead man, but the other 3 were born and raised in America.
Also, Nesmith's mom was the inventor of Liquid Paper
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:50 am to Arksulli
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The choke point would be the brain though. We don't have a way to transfer memories so once the brain gives out or is destroyed then that person is toast.
Interesting thought. Let's say that organs can be cloned, including the brain.
An 80-year-old man is dying from a brain disease. In his healthier years cells from all of his organs had been harvested and frozen in anticipation of future replacements to be grown.
A new brain is grown and prepared to replace his diseased mind. All of his memories are transferred and the new brain is implanted. The procedure is a complete success.
The man is kept in an induced coma for several weeks for recovery after the transplant. Doctors decide that his recovery has been optimal and wake him.
Is he the same person after the brain transplant? More precisely, is his consciousness process the same as it was before?
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:08 pm to Kentucker
Would it not be an entirely consciousness? That's really why it wouldn't be ''eternal life'', because all you would share were the same genes, and not the shared experiences.
However, if we were able to somehow download the same consciousness into a new person every time we used up a body, that would make it a new life.
But we have to kill a few billion people before we can start permitting that.
However, if we were able to somehow download the same consciousness into a new person every time we used up a body, that would make it a new life.
But we have to kill a few billion people before we can start permitting that.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I liken my example to that of teleportation. At the beginning of the process, a person is disassembled down to quantum particles, his structure is recorded and his "map" is transferred to his intended destination.
There he is reassembled from quantum particles at the site. From outward appearances, the duplicate is indistinguishable from the original man who was disassembled at the departure point.
Is his consciousness process the same, though? I don't think it is. To me, the man died when he was disassembled. Even though a perfect duplicate was reassembled and even had all the memories of the original, I don't think the consciousness process can be duplicated.
I would not use a teleportation device.
There he is reassembled from quantum particles at the site. From outward appearances, the duplicate is indistinguishable from the original man who was disassembled at the departure point.
Is his consciousness process the same, though? I don't think it is. To me, the man died when he was disassembled. Even though a perfect duplicate was reassembled and even had all the memories of the original, I don't think the consciousness process can be duplicated.
I would not use a teleportation device.
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