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Posted on 11/12/18 at 10:32 pm to KSGamecock
The classic definition of insanity is a state of mind that prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction. We know that psychopaths and sociopaths absolutely can interact normally in social settings. Their behaviors, too, can appear to be above reproach. They can play almost any part they deem necessary to advance their interests.
It's their perceptions of others that distinguishes them from the rest of us, however, and which guides their behaviors towards their fellow man. Their motives are singular, personal gain.
They simply cannot grasp the concepts of sharing, altruism, sympathy and empathy. They aren't wired that way. They can, of course, fake these and other normal emotions but they can't feel them. However, they have limits and can't maintain their acts indefinitely.
This is why most societies label them as insane. When a psychopath, for example, reaches his limit for tolerating the behavior of others and doesn't see a gain in continuing his charade, he can be dangerous.
Psychopaths account for only 1-4% of the population but account for a full 25% of all prisoners. They are present in all walks of life but will usually outperform their cohorts because of their single mindedness and drive for power and personal gain.
It's their perceptions of others that distinguishes them from the rest of us, however, and which guides their behaviors towards their fellow man. Their motives are singular, personal gain.
They simply cannot grasp the concepts of sharing, altruism, sympathy and empathy. They aren't wired that way. They can, of course, fake these and other normal emotions but they can't feel them. However, they have limits and can't maintain their acts indefinitely.
This is why most societies label them as insane. When a psychopath, for example, reaches his limit for tolerating the behavior of others and doesn't see a gain in continuing his charade, he can be dangerous.
Psychopaths account for only 1-4% of the population but account for a full 25% of all prisoners. They are present in all walks of life but will usually outperform their cohorts because of their single mindedness and drive for power and personal gain.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 10:43 pm to Kentucker
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a state of mind that prevents normal perception
Where are you getting that? By that definition my dyslexic uncle is insane.
Let's see what Dr. Howes says about insanity:
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Here's the first sentence of law.com's lengthy definition:
Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior.
Insanity is a concept discussed in court to help distinguish guilt from innocence. It's informed by mental health professionals, but the term today is primarily legal, not psychological. There's no "insane" diagnosis listed in the DSM.
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So that fits my own conception of insanity in which an unmedicated schizophrenic would be insane but a run of the mill sociopath would not.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 11:09 pm to thatguy45
There have been some interesting Rulers to say the least. Sure some of them have been "insane", but what exactly is that? I think it's silly when you have the defense site "Insanity defence", it's a way out and not right....but lol normal people don't kill people. It takes a different breed of people to be able to take a human life.
So technically you could say most rulers who killed probably weren't "insane" but if your killing people, your not sane right? Someone said demented which is good term....but call it what you want you can't possibly be sane if your killing people.
So technically you could say most rulers who killed probably weren't "insane" but if your killing people, your not sane right? Someone said demented which is good term....but call it what you want you can't possibly be sane if your killing people.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 11:11 pm to KSGamecock
Well as the law definition says, insanity is based upon proving that the person can not distinguish right from wrong.
A psychopath can often determine what is right and wrong (and as such they pursue the wrong all the more because of it)
The thing that makes it difficult is what does a person view as right or wrong? Its a weighty question that changes from year to year and place to place due to changes in society
A psychopath can often determine what is right and wrong (and as such they pursue the wrong all the more because of it)
The thing that makes it difficult is what does a person view as right or wrong? Its a weighty question that changes from year to year and place to place due to changes in society
Posted on 11/12/18 at 11:17 pm to ExArmyVetIRISHFan
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call it what you want you can't possibly be sane if your killing people.
Going off of a legal definition there is. You can be a complete piece of shite who kills people, but know its wrong, thus you aren't "pronounced insane"
There are certainly a few screws loose with some people so to speak. I only used the term insane because it came to mind.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 11:26 pm to thatguy45
Naw, I think you chose the right word. I just have always thought it funny that when someone kills someone else, they say something like, "Wow he must not be right in the head."? Lol no shite!. If you kill a human being, you definitely have some screws lose as you said. Also, some people just don't have a conscience.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:24 am to gthog61
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He could if it wasn't for short sighted a-holes. Actually not short sighted they want to destroy the country
Nobody with any sense gives a damn about his idiotic wall. I’m not sure he does. He is just pandering to his idiotic and racist base and riling them up, which isn’t difficult to do. It is as easy as showing a banana to a chimp. I don’t know if you were born yesterday, but they have been building walls on the southern border for decades. They don’t work. You want the border strong, then police it, but walls are stupid. Just because someone doesn’t want to waste tens of billions on a wall that doesn’t work, does not mean they’re trying to destroy the country.
Trump is certifiable.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:48 am to KSGamecock
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Where are you getting that? By that definition my dyslexic uncle is insane.
Dyslexia is an incurable hereditary disorder that impairs one's ability to see correctly. It isn't a mental health issue or a sign of lower intelligence. Some of the brightest people who have ever lived were dyslexic.
"Normal perception," in the context of this discussion, means that we see others as distinct, intelligent individuals who are worthy of our consideration as we interact with them. Psychopaths and sociopaths see others only as tools of opportunity.
The psychopathic child is easily distinguished from his mates because he doesn't learn to care about them. He can't. He isn't "wired" to care. He can, however, learn to pretend to care.
Sociopathic children can't be picked out because they are normal at this stage. They learn not to care in favor of their own interests as they mature.
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is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior.
This is the part of your definition that gets most psychopaths into prison. I might change it to read, "uncontrollable premediated behavior," however, since the psychopath certainly knows what he's doing. Even the "uncontrollable" term must be qualified to describe his true nature. Selfish, self-absorbed or self-concerned might be better descriptors.
It's his negative effect upon those around him and society at large that earns the label insane. Those that don't commit murder or other extreme criminal acts are frequently tagged as anti-social. Psychopaths and sociopaths don't care about others unless they see a personal gain from their interactions.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 8:05 am to thatguy45
Caligula, Nero, Nebuchadnezzar
Posted on 11/13/18 at 8:30 am to Hogwarts
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Nero
Alas, what an artist this world loses with me...
Posted on 11/13/18 at 11:21 am to Hogwarts
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Nero
That's who I was gonna name. This dude ruled shortly before Rome adopted Christianity as it's official religion. At this time they were persecuting Christians and this dude Nero used to hold dinner parties that were lit with the burning bodies of Christians.
Here's the thing though, guys. It's my firm belief that loads and loads of world leaders are insane. Have been always. People in the present always like to think that these atrocious acts happened in the past and don't happen today because today we are more "civilized" or whatever.
That thinking is foolish. There are people out there today who are just as fricking crazy as any of the people listed in their thread.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 11:39 am to BoarEd
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That thinking is foolish. There are people out there today who are just as fricking crazy as any of the people listed in their thread.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:17 pm to DownSouthJukin
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Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Power is a serious drug.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:37 pm to HTDawg
quote:all of this
Nobody with any sense gives a damn about his idiotic wall. I’m not sure he does. He is just pandering to his idiotic and racist base and riling them up, which isn’t difficult to do. It is as easy as showing a banana to a chimp.
I don’t know if you were born yesterday, but they have been building walls on the southern border for decades. They don’t work. You want the border strong, then police it, but walls are stupid. Just because someone doesn’t want to waste tens of billions on a wall that doesn’t work, does not mean they’re trying to destroy the country.
Trump is certifiable.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:56 pm to TT9
Anyone who sets themselves to the task of destroying a nation of people in any way, shape or form, is insane IMO.
And that covers just about all of them.
Here in America we like to make snide remarks about each other's personal favorite crazy person. Left or right, they're all nuts. The last 15 years of "nation building" should make that abundantly clear to everyone.
What do I want in a leader? Someone who doesn't seek to destroy people's lives. Whether that's affecting regime change in some far flung shite hole (thanks to us) or right here at home where we have recently had leaders who were selling state secrets to our adversaries.
How can anyone seriously make everything about left right false dichotomies? None of these people are innocent at this point. Not a single one of them.
And that covers just about all of them.
Here in America we like to make snide remarks about each other's personal favorite crazy person. Left or right, they're all nuts. The last 15 years of "nation building" should make that abundantly clear to everyone.
What do I want in a leader? Someone who doesn't seek to destroy people's lives. Whether that's affecting regime change in some far flung shite hole (thanks to us) or right here at home where we have recently had leaders who were selling state secrets to our adversaries.
How can anyone seriously make everything about left right false dichotomies? None of these people are innocent at this point. Not a single one of them.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 1:12 pm to Kentucker
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Psychopaths are born without the ability to feel emotions the same way you and I can. Specifically, they lack empathy.
well shite... that's me.
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Sociopaths are in the same category as psychopaths but they aren't born that way. Their pathological personalities come from their experiences with their environments. They learn that exploiting others will bring rewards to themselves.
frick that's me too.
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If their relationships can hold them in check, they can live fruitful and productive lives.
whew that's a relief
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:19 pm to BoarEd
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The last 15 years of "nation building" should make that abundantly clear to everyone.
It is a clear sign we've been there far too long when people who weren't alive when 9/11 happened are able to join to go fight in Afghanistan.
The amount of money we have wasted truly amazes me, that 1.6 trillion (based on direct expenditures alone) we spent from 2001 to just 2014 could've been used for far better things here at home.
But then, we think we need to play God and get into other's business.
Im amazed that we haven't put more troops in Syria than we already have.
Naturally as soon as there was talk of bringing troops home from Syria, there was another attack
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:39 pm to Trumansfangs
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King Charles VI of France
Oh ffs !
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In 1392, amidst peace negotiations with England, Charles VI was hunting when he developed a fever and began having convulsions—the first of what would be a string of 44 attacks, which would become exceedingly violent, often leading to the murder of those in Charles's proximity. These attacks would occur for the rest of Charles's life, each lasting for months at a time, with months-long periods of sanity interspersed.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:50 pm to Trumansfangs
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These attacks would occur for the rest of Charles's life, each lasting for months at a time, with months-long periods of sanity interspersed.
Very early case of extreme bipolarity
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