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re: Louis CK writes open letter to fans about Trump, draws Hitler comparisons
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:55 am to OBReb6
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:55 am to OBReb6
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I know the cuck thing is terribly overplayed
The whole cuck thing is especially funny considering that Trump is the biggest thin-skinned pussy to ever run for president. He's a whining, crying, baby-back bitch and I'm sure Melania cucks him on the regular.
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Posted on 3/6/16 at 12:11 pm to GoldenDawg
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According to Godwin's law CK just lost the argument.
And he should. Invoking Hitler/Nazis whenever you dislike someone or a particular political argument is the lowest form of debate. It shows an interesting form of cowardice. Don't want to get into the details of defending your position? Call the other guy a racist/Hitler/Nazi and you don't have to!
He laid out his point with supporting reasons. Some might say immediately disregarding someone's argument because of Nazi comparisons is intellectually lazy. Please, which comparisons that he drew (and supported) were invalid? Why were they wrong?
This post was edited on 3/6/16 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 3/6/16 at 12:27 pm to MIZ_COU
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there better be a shite ton of dead women and children
Well damn
Posted on 3/6/16 at 1:03 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Trump has implied that he would use his resources as President to make people who speak out against him pay.
The only reason he hasn't actually DONE things worse than Obama/Hillary is that he lacked the power to do so.
The only reason he hasn't actually DONE things worse than Obama/Hillary is that he lacked the power to do so.
This post was edited on 3/6/16 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 3/6/16 at 1:11 pm to Volatile
We get it, you're also educated.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 1:31 pm to jbond
jbond - there was not one thing that CK laid out about Trump - factually - that is anything remotely close to Hitler. Sure, he called him an "insane bigot" or something, but again, that speaks more to CK's failings than Trumps.
There are a myriad of reasons to criticize Trump, but by throwing out the Hitler insult, CK showed the typical weakness of the light minded individual. It's much easier to throw out insults than actually make the effort of an honest argument. And those who agree with him on the Hitler comment are just knee jerking their agreement in the same incredibly shallow fashion.
People spout this sort of rubbish on both sides of the political aisle.
Don't be one of those people.
There are a myriad of reasons to criticize Trump, but by throwing out the Hitler insult, CK showed the typical weakness of the light minded individual. It's much easier to throw out insults than actually make the effort of an honest argument. And those who agree with him on the Hitler comment are just knee jerking their agreement in the same incredibly shallow fashion.
People spout this sort of rubbish on both sides of the political aisle.
Don't be one of those people.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 3:43 pm to jbond
Any politician not groveling on the floor for AIPAC $ = "Hitler". To zionist shitbags like Louis CK that's all it takes.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 4:14 pm to wmr
Posted on 3/6/16 at 4:39 pm to jbond
Posted on 3/6/16 at 5:49 pm to Evolved Simian
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I stopped reading when he said libel should be protected by the first amendment.
CK didn't say this. Trump said he would alter libel laws to make it legal to sue if you're criticizing him. Even if it's not actually libel.
These are where the Hitler comparisons come from. Because he panders to disenchanted people by appealing to their fears and creating an "us vs. them" mentality. He is also threatening to use his political power against his idealogical opponents once he does actually have power. These things are perfect grounds to compare him to Hitler. Could CK have phrased his argument better? Yeah, but he made some very important points. Trump is dangerous and what's unsettling is that even though he won't win the actual presidency (you need the moderate vote to beat the Democrat), there is still a sizable number of people in this country that think he is the best person to protect our freedoms. And THAT is scary.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 5:50 pm to jbond
Well if Louis CK says it by golly it must be true. Because I am so weak minded I let celebrities make my decisions for me.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 5:54 pm to wartiger2004
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I let celebrities make my decisions for me.
This will be what happens if Trump is elected.
This post was edited on 3/6/16 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 3/6/16 at 7:24 pm to Purplehaze44
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Because he panders to disenchanted people by appealing to their fears and creating an "us vs. them" mentality. He is also threatening to use his political power against his idealogical opponents once he does actually have power. These things are perfect grounds to compare him to Hitler.
So by your own argument, you do realize that every politician is Hitler. Right?
Come to think of it, your arguments sound an awful lot like "us v. them."
Looks like we got ourselves a Hitler on this board.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 7:39 pm to TT9
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TT9
frick. YOU.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 7:41 pm to GoldenDawg
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So by your own argument, you do realize that every politician is Hitler. Right?
Not every politician uses fear as their main motivation to side with them. And the ones that do are usually less reliant on it and less obvious about it than Trump. They also don't outright threaten their opponents during interviews. So no, the vast majority of people are in no way shape or form like Hitler. Even Trump isn't literally a Hitler. There are however enough similarities for comparison.
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Come to think of it, your arguments sound an awful lot like "us v. them."
How is that? I'm just pointing out that Trump is a dangerous and awful candidate. I'm not making genralizations about entire countries or religions to appeal to a false sense of nationalistic pride. I, my own person appealing to no one else, am calling another person a bad option for the Presidency. And an a-hole.
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Looks like we got ourselves a Hitler on this board.
I don't think this was as clever as you thought it would be.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 8:01 pm to jbond
These Hitler/Trump comparisons are as ridiculous as the Obama/Anti Christ crap that was thrown around in 2008
Posted on 3/6/16 at 8:06 pm to Purplehaze44
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Not every politician uses fear as their main motivation to side with them.
Oh, this is what Trump does? Because you say so, I guess. Okay. In that case, it's the same thing people said Reagan and Bush (both of them) did and what Obama does. All Hitlers I guess.
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They also don't outright threaten their opponents during interviews.
Do you really understand anything of what Hitler did as a candidate? You can't if you think "threatening" opponents like Trump is doing is anything remotely close to Hitler. I mean, educate yourself before you start slinging nonsense. For example, look up the Sturmabteilung or the Schutztaffel and THEN draw parallels to the Trump campaign. But you can't, because Trump's campaign is nothing like that. Nothing close. But - again - it's easier to call a politician you don't like a "Hitler" than actually taking on the policy positions. It's a tool of the willingly ignorant.
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Looks like we got ourselves a Hitler on this board.
I don't think this was as clever as you thought it would be.
It's every bit as clever, and accurate, with as much factual support, as you and CK calling Trump a Hitler. And next you'll be calling his supporters Nazis.
Weak as frick, but there you have it.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 9:55 pm to GoldenDawg
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Oh, this is what Trump does? Because you say so, I guess. Okay. In that case, it's the same thing people said Reagan and Bush (both of them) did and what Obama does. All Hitlers I guess.
It is what he does. He tells you Mexicans bring drugs crime and rape into our country and so we should build a wall. He tells you Muslims will commit acts of terror on US soil so we should ban all Muslim immigrants. It's fear. If you can't tell a difference between Raegan's rhetoric or even Bush's then there's no point in arguing. Do plenty of politicians appeal to emotions, including fear? Yes, sometimes. But Trump's entire rhetoric is committed to fear, or attacking the other cadidates ad hominem.
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Do you really understand anything of what Hitler did as a candidate? You can't if you think "threatening" opponents like Trump is doing is anything remotely close to Hitler. I mean, educate yourself before you start slinging nonsense. For example, look up the Sturmabteilung or the Schutztaffel and THEN draw parallels to the Trump campaign. But you can't, because Trump's campaign is nothing like that. Nothing close
I actually do. And Hitler was a lot better at it than Trump. Well, at least after the Beer Hall Putsch. Hitler used frustration with the economy and the lack of corporation within the Reichstag to rise to power and then staged one of the most brilliant and successful coups of all time.
I'm not saying that they are doing the same things because I don't think Trump is literally trying to become a dictator. But the rhetorics they used to gain popularity are extremely similar. Scapegoating already disliked minorities and promising to make their country what it used to be. In addition to dismissing and or threatening idealogical opponents (though in Hitler's case he made good on those threats when he achieved power).
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But - again - it's easier to call a politician you don't like a "Hitler" than actually taking on the policy positions. It's a tool of the willingly ignorant
I agree it is easier, and I'm not the one who originally made the comparison. But I agree that they are similar enough to be compared. I would just settle for calling him an a-hole personally.
And what policy positions? The ones where you advocate war crimes, or ostracize minorities? Those are the only one's Trump's been consistent about, and those do sound familiar don't they? I wonder who those are also characteristic of.
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It's every bit as clever, and accurate, with as much factual support, as you and CK calling Trump a Hitler. And next you'll be calling his supporters Nazis.
I won't say he is literally Hitler because they were operating in different scenarios and had different goals. But he is similar. Similar enough to merit comparison. I will commit to the statement, "He is like Hitler." That's not something I could say about Raegan, Bush, Obama(this alone will get me downvotes), or most American politicians. I don't agree with all of them but they don't merit a Hitler comparison.
I won't call them Nazis, because Trump isn't actually Nazi. I will call his supporters poor decision makers. That's about it though. That's all they're guilty of so far.
Posted on 3/6/16 at 10:18 pm to Purplehaze44
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Purplehaze44
Posted on 3/6/16 at 10:22 pm to Purplehaze44
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Even if it's not actually libel.
Yeah, you're going to have to link that.
He said he was going to "open up" libel laws, ostensibly to make them enforceable, because, as it stands, any person, in any medium can publish falsehoods with almost zero chance of repercussion, particularly online.
So Louis CK lied. And, for the record, I am NOT a Trump supporter.
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